CHINA WARS

[Pater G.]

HI!

I NOTICED THAT MANY CHINA SUPPLIERS ARE ALSO POSTING ON THIS FORUM,
ESPECIALY WHEN YOU ASK FOR PERSONAL OPPINION.

SO LET THEM TALK, AND CONVINCE US WHY THEY THINK THAT THEIR MACHINES ARE BETER THAN THE COMPETITION.



MANUFACTURERS AND SUPPLIERS INVITED.

(MORNTECH, SUKELASER, SEFENG, REDSAIL, ETC.)

[Laserman FLE]

Just my opinion but why dont we stop buying from countries like this and start producing more products in our own countries like the USA, UK and Germany?

Our company FLE, is fully dedicated to supporting small business, individuals and large companies stay away from Chinese companies that produce sub par machines.

We need to bring the engineering and manufacturing back! Let do our part.

Is price the only reason people are choosing these type of machines?

[bpoulin]

Originally Posted by Laserman FLE Is price the only reason people are choosing these type of machines?

Not the only reason, but with improving customer support, and sales reps in the county the product is being sold in. The price is extremely lower, and if you go with the right company CS is as good as any other US based company.

[Tweakie]

Originally Posted by Laserman FLE

Just my opinion but why dont we stop buying from countries like this and start producing more products in our own countries like the USA, UK and Germany?

I think everybody agrees with your sentiment here Laserman.
The answer perhaps lies with the reasons behind the business growth / success of Grizzly and Harbor Freight et al. The day will come when CNC Laser Machines appear in their catalogs, on-line and in their stores.

Tweakie.

[Laserman FLE]

Originally Posted by Tweakie Originally Posted by Laserman FLE I think everybody agrees with your sentiment here Laserman. The answer perhaps lies with the reasons behind the business growth / success of Grizzly and Harbor Freight et al. The day will come when CNC Laser Machines appear in their catalogs, on-line and in their stores. Tweakie.

Totally agree with you.

[lowpull]

Originally Posted by Laserman FLE J Is price the only reason people are choosing these type of machines?

Same size vs same size is not a 10 percent difference in price, or a 20 percent difference in price. its 400 to 800 percent difference in price. It was a choice of buying chinese or not buying at all. I would have bought an american product if it was only 30 percent more. Now I did not buy direct from china, I bought from an american company that imports them. So If the amercican made product had been twice the price of the direct from china price, I would have bought american. But I paid 10,000 from the american company, I would have to pay 45 to 60k for the american product.

[Laserman FLE]

Originally Posted by lowpull Same size vs same size is not a 10 percent difference in price, or a 20 percent difference in price. its 400 to 800 percent difference in price. It was a choice of buying chinese or not buying at all. I would have bought an american product if it was only 30 percent more. Now I did not buy direct from china, I bought from an american company that imports them. So If the amercican made product had been twice the price of the direct from china price, I would have bought american. But I paid 10,000 from the american company, I would have to pay 45 to 60k for the american product.

Not trying to get off subject but what did you get for $10K? Tube, bed size, accessories, etc ...

[jharvey407]

Unfortunately as long as the Chinese currency is artificially pegged to the USD their prices are going to remain artificially low.

My small company is trying to figure out how to manufacture items, like CNC machines and compete with China. I'm not sure it can be done.

[lowpull]

The 10k includes all of the below. (Approx 47x 35 x 10 table size)
rabbit 1290se with 80 watt laser. rotary attachment, photograv, refrigerated chiller, air pump, exaust fan. It also included delivery inside of my shop with a liftgate. Also owner of company is flying in to setup align and train. Included a refurb computer system and lcd screen.

[Laserman FLE]

A tube alone from Synrad would be at least that much.
Thanks for the information. There is nothing I can do as a company to compete with this if price is the end result. I just find it humorous that most of the machines in use in China for the ad specialty market are not made in China.
This is a very sad realization, as a hard working American, I can hope that this one day changes for the better.

[Litografa]

The main problem of quality made in USA laser equipment is competition from top and bottom. From bottom will be cheap Chinese manufacturers and you know how compete with them. But from top will be big 4 - Epilog, ULS, GCC and TROTEC. They have high purchasing volumes from Synrad, so their purchasing price will be significantly lower. Their support is reliable, proven. What will be your advantages compairing with BIG4?

[Litografa]

IMHO you are wrong. If you need equipment as hobby - that's OK, but if you want buy equipment to make money.....
What is your goal - spent less, or buy equipment which will work without problems for a long time?