Newbie- New K2 2514 Router makes noise

[grossmanator]

I am new to CNC and I just bought a K2 2514 router straight from the manufacturer. I have set it up with steppers and a G540. I am happy with it in almost every way. Two concerns though:

First, it makes a weird rumbling noise when I move it in the x direction (longest axis). The noise is most pronounced when I do a G0 jog in the x direction. It also only occurs when the machine is about 2/3 down the x axis. Meaning when the axis is all the way down at either end of the table, I can jog and it moves very quietly. Both other axes move silently. Also, I can stop the rumbling noise simply by pushing on one side of the gantry as it moves. I have to push it in a specific direction though. I think it might be coming from the lead screw as I have gently pushed the lead screw as it is jogging and I can get the noise to stop.... This leads me to my second question:

Every once in a while my CNC makes popping noises. I think I have narrowed the origin of these noises to the kerk lead screw nuts. Is it possible that the anti-backlash mechanism is compressing and then all of the sudden uncompressing? Could it be that they need to be lubricated? Do lead-screws need lubrication?

thanks for any insight,

- Will

[cabnet636]

3in1 oil and lubricate first!!

jim

[grossmanator]

Thanks for the reply but could you be a bit more specific. Do I oil both the linear bearings and the lead screws?

[cabnet636]

my machine has hiwin bearings and when you said ticking i ahd heard that before so i oiled the bearings and the rails, solved my problem

the ticking was odd but it went away

jim

[grossmanator]

I have posted a video of my machine on youtube. Please watch it to listen to the problems I describe below.

YouTube - CNC

YouTube - CNC

Here is a video of my CNC in action. You can hear the popping noises every once in a while. These popping noises occur on all three axes. I think they are originating from the kerk anti-backlash nuts. The low rumbling noises occur only at certain times and only on the x-axis (left to right in the video). As always, when I went to film it, the axis stopped making the noise on its own. But I am still able to induce the noise simply by gently pulling on the axis. You’ll notice that I pull in the same direction each time and that pulling in the opposite direction (pushing) eliminates the noise. It seems that the rumbling only occurs when the gantry is near the middle of it travel.

Has anyone seen this type of behavior before? If anyone has any ideas about what either of these two noises could be, please let me know. Misalignment? Lubrication? I am new to CNC and so I don’t have a clue. Also, what can I do to fix these problems?

Thanks!

[stevespo]

Have you figured out what the noises are? Called K2 tech support? Did oil/grease help?

Steve

[grossmanator]

Originally Posted by stevespo Have you figured out what the noises are? Called K2 tech support? Did oil/grease help? Steve

Allright, I'm pretty sure I figured out what was wrong. I contacted the guys at K2 and they were very prompt in getting back to me. They had me try several things including tightening the lead screw nut (essentially stretches the lead screw) and readjusting the block that holds the kerk nut. But what really helped was while I was doing all this I found that one of the bolts for the kerk nut was completely loose and the other two bolts could have used some tightening as well.

After tightening up the kerk nut, I decided to also tighten the the lead screw nut to put more tension on the lead screw and minimize whipping. After these two tasks, the machine ran much much better. I also tensioned up the y axis lead screw as I could feel it move slightly when i pushed or pulled on it.

moral of the story here is check all your bolts before you go on to more complicated solutions.

It's worth noting that before doing any of the above, I tried lubricating the leadscrew and this reduced the noise a little, but did not eliminate it.

Also, I want to say thanks to the K2 people for responding quickly to my questions and helping me out. All in all I think I have a very good router now.

- Will

[Mangus]

I have the exact same problem, and find that it's worse (read: easier to induce) when moving the long axis faster than 40 ipm. I have my rapids set to about 80 ipm and at that speed the long axis groans away when the nut gets about 1/4 of the way down the screw until about 3/4 down. Lubrication doesn't help.

I'll double check to make sure nothing is loose, including the screw tension, as you suggest. I'm dubious that the screw tension should be increased much, as the end plates probably can't handle too much stress in that regard.

I'm curious to know - in the video, you're moving the gantry quite slowly. If you speed it up a bit (with proprly set, slow accel/decel), can you get it to groan even after your adjustment? I'm betting yes, but hoping no.

-Mark

[grossmanator]

I think I figured out where the problem is coming from. I disconnected the lead screw of the x-axis (long axis) from the gantry such that the gantry could slide freely in the x-direction. I then did a G0 rapid on the x-axis such that if the leadscrew were still attached to the gantry it would go 40 ipm (400 rotations per second for my leadscrew). At this speed, it is easy to watch the leadscrew and see if it is out of true. I found that my leadscrew wabbled a significant amount indicating that it was not straight. This means that the nut is subjected to a sine wave like friction force (as the leadscrew moves further and closer to the true alignement position of the nut). I'm almost positive that this sine way like force is the cause of the noise! I'd be interested to know if you see this behavior as well.

Also, do you get noise from any of the other axes?

[Mangus]

Yeah, all 3 axes make the noise during faster moves. The long axis leadscrew is definitely out of true, but I'm not sure that this would be the direct cause. It may be what starts the resonance, though.

[grossmanator]

Originally Posted by Mangus Yeah, all 3 axes make the noise during faster moves. The long axis leadscrew is definitely out of true, but I'm not sure that this would be the direct cause. It may be what starts the resonance, though.

I think I said this before, but to reiterate, I found I could eliminate the vibrations/noise if I held onto the leadscrew nut while it was moving. Just a gentle squeeze on the nut was all it took. I have been thinking about potential fixes and I think one solution could be to put a rubber band around the nut. This would squeeze the nut and cause more friction, but might help eliminate the vibrations.

[Mangus]

If I put some pressure on the leadscrew the noise stops as well. I think doing either simply dampens the vibration and breaks the resonant feedback; I'm not sure it's actually doing anything diagnosticly.