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Reminds me of this joke: (condensed version)
An engineer arrives in Hell and was astounded at the conditions. So he goes to work to install A/C and elevators to make things a bit more bearable. Satan sees his work and is so impressed that he decides to give his arch rival a call to rub it in.
So he places a call to God, who is astounded that an engineer had been delivered to Hell. He instructed Satan to return the engineer to heaven at once explaining that he was not entitled to such luxury. When Satan refused, God threatened legal action.
Satan replied "Go ahead - sue me. Where are you going to get a lawyer?"
Consistency is a good thing....unless you're consistently an idiot.
Oh, and one more thing. For those that are into risky business (I said risky not dubious) and happen to trust their wives A LOT, wifey becomes Mrs Assetts and you become Mr Risk with nothing to your name. Maybe you can't do that in Israel but you can here.
skippy what do you mean?
btw mxtras that a good one
Skippy is referring to layering your company. It was once popular for companies which produced high liability products but it is becomming less frequent from what I have seen.
One company makes the product and onother company markets it. The manufacturing company may farm out components to it's own subsidiaries and does just assembly....it can go five or more layers deep with the same owner group but it is no longer as effective as it once was. The laywers will shake out the responsible party and they will pay the consequence - no matter how many layers there are. It would be similar to driving a borrowed car that is filled with drugs or whatever - you are the one in the spotlight and you are the one responsible.
In the case of layering the marketing company would pass the buck to the supplier, the supplier would point to his supplier and so on. Everyone in the chain would see their day in court and ultimately all would pay - including the designer. It's the American way....Insurance companies and Lawyers - they run your life and your business. The accountants pick up the pieces and count them.
Layering does offer some protection against loss of assets but it is just as easy to just fold and re-start with a different company when trouble comes to your door. Many manufacturers do this to skirt warranty claims - they can offer a lifetime warranty on their product to promote sales, sell their product for 3 or 5 years, then when the claims start coming in, they close up shop, sell off to 'another' company (themselves with a different name) and turn the power back on. It happens all the time and there are, to my knowledge, no laws against it.
Just build a good quality product and do it right. Stand behind it, listen to your customers and do your best. Fix the little things before they run out of control. Most of all - enjoy it.
Scott
Consistency is a good thing....unless you're consistently an idiot.
"Just build a good quality product and do it right. Stand behind it, listen to your customers and do your best. Fix the little things before they run out of control. Most of all - enjoy it."
Scott, I agree with your statement and in my case I have never built anything but high quality products however there are high risk industries where high quality products can be easily destroyed through the negligence or ignorance of the customer. High performance engine parts (racing), solid fuel rockets, and turbines are just a few of them. In the case of turbines, too lower rpm with too much fuel can easily result in too higher EGTs (exhaust gas temps) = melt down or explosion, too higher rpm can result in turbine breaking into a million small metal pieces going in all directions. All of these conditions are caused by poor control by operator or ECU. See my point?
cncwannabe: you take the risks = your business but you own nothing. your wife/brother/etc is not connected with the business and she owns all assetts. waste of time sueing someone with no money isn't it. you just gotta pray she doesn't throw you out into the street one day as it will be hard to prove you own anything other than the shirt on your back LOL
Last edited by skippy; 06-01-2005 at 03:51 PM.
mxtras Thanks man just what i needed to hear.
p.s
skippy and if she throws you out during sex?
in that case you dont even have the shirt on
keep your shirt on during, just in case.
shoes, too? Just in case...
I hear ya loud and clear on the customer knowledge issue, Skippy. Hence the comments about making sure everything is documented. It's nearly impossible to get it perfect, hence the comment about staying on top of it. Most customers I have delt with are fairly cooperative as long as I make them feel like their problem has stopped the line and everybody in the plant is working on their issue. Sometimes you give a little and get a lot, sometimes you get screwed no matter what you do.
Here we have "Corporations" and such. How do individuals hide from liability overseas?
Scott
Consistency is a good thing....unless you're consistently an idiot.
well in israel if some think isnt right as they say"you can go f**k your self"
in court you need years to get some think out of the lawsuet so i think its better ill sell to THE Us UK EUROPE...
any way here you need years to get some think out of a sue
"I do not accept any responsibility for injury or death" could help?
Jon
That should work!!
Scott
Consistency is a good thing....unless you're consistently an idiot.
Why not look at the companies that are already selling Hobby Turbine Kits/Plans and see what warnings or waivers (although it has been proven time and again that you cannot sign your rights away) they use?
There are plenty of companies that sell this type of product, I am thinking it isn't as big of an issue as everyone is making it out to be...
(Note: The opinions expressed in this post are my own and are not necessarily those of CNCzone and its management)
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