Made in the USA

[Joe S.]

Originally Posted by ihavenofish * * * and they dont all make 50 cents an hour. a computer animator for example makes $10-$15 an hour. take that kansas!

And yet most Do.

Originally Posted by ihavenofish foreign policy things like tibet and taiwan also have 2 sides to the story, much like the iraq war does IN iraq. rule under the dali lama for example was far more oppressive than china could ever hope to be,and most taiwanese people dont care what flag they fly under as long as their business can thrive as it does now. you rarely see a balanced report on these subjects though, because everyone wants to spin it to suit their own agenda. the US of course wants to keep taiwan for themselves, a not allow china unmetered access to the technology that drives the modern world.

Never doubted it!

Originally Posted by ihavenofish . . . but i think chinas form of government will one day evolve into the one the whole world adopts.

Not without a fight, true our new president as well as the last several have pushed in that direction. China is the prototype of the New World Order and that is precisely why I do not like them.

Originally Posted by ihavenofish anyhow, im pretty sure your plan would utterly backfire when you saw the wages of the workers pasted on products. in fact, i would say thats a step directly toward communism.... the bad kind.

Hey I do not live in a cave, I know how poorly paid many jobs in America are. America has an addiction to slavery, not yet overcome, that is exactly why our government does little to stop immigration, Federal minimum wage is a bit over 5 bucks an hour, and throwing our manufacturing base to the wind is helping to erode our value, as workers, there are only so many "service" jobs to be had, and why lose the jobs which generate the service jobs, if we do not have to? All we are presently doing is squandering our childrens inheritance and leaving them with a pile of debt . . . to China, Saudi Arabia . . . The west likes to send those jobs to China, because it never sees the human cost of cheap labor, the little villages who recycle electronic waste from Europe, US, Canada Australia, the children who's water is posioned with heavy metals, We imagine everything is made in nice well lit modern factories, by trained skilled professional staff . ..imagine it, that's all, while all the time they sell products here for less than the material cost. Do we deserve this? Yep we do, having grown up in the early 1970s I remember the stupid levels to which the unions went to drive business away, I saw the government crackdown on pollution, which is good, but then do not give the store away to a country willing to accept the pollution. And a last note: I REALLY hate, buying a product with a western name and western price to discover it is China's Junk! If I wanted that stuff I would order it directly from China, and some electronic items, I do as it is all made there anyway, eliminate the middleman. I would prefer, to buy from a U S Manufacturer, or Canadian, or Mexican MFG, guess what, they do not exist. We could argue all summer, and never reconcile. The bottom line is WE will continue to slide economicaly until we decide to invest in ourselves, and resist the urge to exploit the third worlds cheap products and instead insist, they produce and compete on the western level, as it pertains to pay, pollution, workers compensation, product quality . . . or keep their products.

[dertsap]

has anyone taken into concideration the amount of resources that china had purchased at a premium , take metal for example they bought so much scrap that it drove the costs of metal up and they kept on buying more
now much of it's not worth the fuel to get rid of and these types of things will hurt them when we begin buying it back from them at a low cost because they cant hold it any longer
a man will always become consumed by his own greed

[ihavenofish]

"And yet most Do."

most dont.

the typical(though not minimum) unskilled manufacturing wage in china is up near $2 an hour from what im told by people who work and employ there. in the us its $6.55 in most states now (in kansas its $2.65).

for reference south korea has a $5 minimum unskilled factory work wage, and taiwan is $6 or there abouts. mexico is $1 and india has no minimum, but from friends comments who have worked there, 50 cents would be the norm but its rising rapidly. where i live in canada its $9.50 and will be going up again next year to $10.25. these are minimum laws of course, and there are many people making much more than that in factories. ford pays $30/h here... we know where thats gotton them of course.

but while we get to take advantage of those numbers, $2 in the chinese countryside gets you what $6.55 gets in kansas, possibly more. so its not fair to say that the wage is abusive without context, its simply on a different scale that plays to our favour.

anyhoo

[ihavenofish]

Originally Posted by dertsap a man will always become consumed by his own greed

the us has shown that recently. greed on the part of the banking system. i dont know if china will be consumed by greed, but perhaps by people. i think the world just has too many now to make them all happy. someone will always be left behind as theres just not enough resources to go around - even if you could adopt spread it evenly.

[tobyaxis]

Originally Posted by dertsap a man will always become consumed by his own greed

Greed it what made all these problems with the economy.

[Andre' B]

Greed is what makes an economy.
Greed with no consequences for failing causes the economy to spike upward but also ultimately kills it.

[smallblock]

Originally Posted by Joe S. I HAVE to chime in here . . . Being old enough to remember when EVERYTHING was made in the USA.

When was that???

Before answering, take your 1/4" nut driver ( made in usa of course) and open up your computer and remove all the foreign made parts.

[EvanVH]

Originally Posted by smallblock When was that??? Before answering, take your 1/4" nut driver ( made in usa of course) and open up your computer and remove all the foreign made parts.

1953


Evan

[ihavenofish]

Originally Posted by EvanVH 1953 Evan

back when the US was the cheap slave labour of europe.

in 50 years will there be old chinese men complaining about the good old days when everything was made in china?




(there probably will be)

[jdclark]

Originally Posted by EvanVH 1953 Evan

Evan- you cheated- you were not supposed to replace all those foreign parts and then post.

1953- I think that was one of the biggest years ever for import goods- thousands cars rolling out of Detroit every day on tires made of Malaysian rubber- Don't forget that was the year we imported Sophia Loren from Italy surpassing our Made in USA products by 2 to 1.