Made in the USA

[nine 16]

banctecbobn,

I've figured that one of IH's reasons for not selling cnc kits alone may be that there are some components that require fitting to a particular machine. And they must try to protect their well-deserved good reputation; it would not take long for a ham-fisted retrofitter to post a hundred accusations in various forums against IH for their "ill fitting parts".

Since IH is aware of guys like me who could only afford to buy their kit at some later date, yet they, for their own valid reasons, choose to limit kit sales to being concurrent with an 12Z sale, I apologize for this pretty much useless speculation.

CNC kit or no kit, the Industrial Hobbies 12Z is a leading contender in my search for a mill.

-Mark

[Hirudin]

This thread is pretty funny. This issue could be cleared up SO easily by someone from IH actually addressing these questions instead of the "fanboiz" and "trolls" flaming back and forth. The OP is severely lacking of information.

Would it be so hard to simply list the major pieces and where they were "made"? Also, if some pieces are roughed in China then finished here, I would like to know that as well.

[dertsap]

i think the simple fact that the product is made in America should speak for itself , I think IHCNC came on the forum to announce the product is made in the US in a noble attempt to assure his customers who are consious of where they buy their products that they are indeed buying a made in US product . Plus in these times it would appear to be a good business tactic . The fact of being honest about which parts aren't made in the US shows a fair amount of integrity .

allow the gentleman some time to shine

[Hirudin]

I don't want to harp on this lest I be accused of being a troll, but legally speaking: "Made in the USA" doesn't really seem to say a lot.

I think it is great that the CNC side of their mills are largely made in the USA! If I was more experienced with machining I would be the proud owner of one right now. I just don't like the conflation between saying the CNC kit is made in the USA and having us believe the majority of the mill is made in the USA.

I will just leave it at this: I am merely curious. I would prefer to buy a US-made mill, but I have no qualms buying from China. If IH mills are in fact primarily made in China it will not make any difference to me given the fact that EVERY other benchtop mill larger than the Taig that I know of is also made in China.

[dertsap]

"Made in the USA" doesn't really seem to say a lot.

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generally it doesnt say anything
i worked for a european company they came here to break into the North American market we did all the manufacturing here in Canada then everything was sent across the boarder to be assembled and lastly a big ol made in the US sticker on it which in my opinion was a kick in the nuts for the Canadians . Unfortunately in Canada we don't have this problem, because even though we manufacture and create a large amount of product i very rarely see a made in Canada sticker on anything anymore , which is a true shame because that sticker meant quality

[tobyaxis]

Unfortunately in Canada we don't have this problem, because even though we manufacture and create a large amount of product i very rarely see a made in Canada sticker on anything anymore , which is a true shame because that sticker meant quality

I would have to agree with you dertsap.

[Hirudin]

I only had one thing I knew was made in Canada. It was a short throw shifter (for a car). It looked like it was very good quality.

Must resist going off topic too much...

In my mind it all boils down to the quality of labor, which I think boils down to the pay rate, which boils down to education/experience. US workers are skilled so demand high pay (I assume it's a similar situation in Canada) that high pay means employers can find the best people for the job. To me, having the best employees means a business is more likely to make the best product. Chinese workers on the other hand are not paid nearly as well, so employers have to take what they can get.

[Joe S.]

I HAVE to chime in here . . . Being old enough to remember when EVERYTHING was made in the USA. First off, we made our share of crap too, but you knew it was crap when you bought it. At that time, made in Japan meant the same as Made in China does now. MY ONLY REAL BEEF WITH MADE IN CHINA . . are twofold #1. Why the hell should they get Most Favored Nation status when Officially they are our enemy? AND Capitalism, while making inroads there, is not exactly so as the Chinese Military owns and controls most manufacturing there, and therein lies the rub, why the heck put money in the pockets of people who want to kill us?
It took Nixon to go to China, and Clinton to give them the keys to the store.
EDIT: BTW lots of stuff is Made in Canada, especially automotive castings I E Rotors, Drums . . .

[ihavenofish]

I HAVE to chime in here . . . Being old enough to remember when EVERYTHING was made in the USA. First off, we made our share of crap too, but you knew it was crap when you bought it. At that time, made in Japan meant the same as Made in China does now. MY ONLY REAL BEEF WITH MADE IN CHINA . . are twofold #1. Why the hell should they get Most Favored Nation status when Officially they are our enemy? AND Capitalism, while making inroads there, is not exactly so as the Chinese Military owns and controls most manufacturing there, and therein lies the rub, why the heck put money in the pockets of people who want to kill us?
It took Nixon to go to China, and Clinton to give them the keys to the store.
EDIT: BTW lots of stuff is Made in Canada, especially automotive castings I E Rotors, Drums . . .

i wasnt aware china was the enemy. i thought it was "terror" (or maybe the constitution). anyhow...

theres one more thing made in canada i found interesting. the castings for the haas TM1. at least thats what the haas dealer told me.

[Joe S.]

i wasn't aware china was the enemy.

Communism is the diametrical opposite of Capitalism, Tyranny is the Opposite of freedom. China's people are not the enemy Oppressive government is, and it matters not, the Name of that government. I would LOVE to see everything sold in America have the wages of the producer listed alongside the price. America needs to be healed of it's addiction to slavery.

[ihavenofish]

I would LOVE to see everything sold in America have the wages of the producer listed alongside the price. America needs to be healed of it's addiction to slavery.

dont buy anything from kansas then... you might find some of the wages lower than china for the same job. (no, im not kidding!)

i have a few friends in china, and while of course many aspects of their government does suck for the people, in some ways they are more free than americans to go about their lives. alot of what you hear on the news or internet isnt really true either. most of chinese people for example have access to a fully uncensored internet and google.com and they dont all make 50 cents an hour. a computer animator for example makes $10-$15 an hour. take that kansas!

foreign policy things like tibet and taiwan also have 2 sides to the story, much like the iraq war does IN iraq. rule under the dali lama for example was far more oppressive than china could ever hope to be, and most taiwanese people dont care what flag they fly under as long as their business can thrive as it does now. you rarely see a balanced report on these subjects though, because everyone wants to spin it to suit their own agenda. the US of course wants to keep taiwan for themselves, a not allow china unmetered access to the technology that drives the modern world.



china is communist though, they must be oppressing their people! i read it in a book in the 50's!!!!



but china isnt communist, just like the US isnt capitalist. every government is a mix of all ideologies, trying to make something that works and are constantly in flux. do you really think that if the 1 billion plus chinese hated their government so much, they couldnt change it? their lives are improving in big ways every 6 months. by chinas recent record, they may have one of the only governments on the planet that actually does work FOR the people. as long as this continues, i think most chinese people wont be all that upset with their government. if it does change, you will see the biggest revolution in history.

the advantage china (and india) have right now is that they get to look at all the mistakes of america, canada, europe and all the other governments in history and make their best attempt not to repeat them. its going to take a long time still, but i think chinas form of government will one day evolve into the one the whole world adopts.


anyhow, im pretty sure your plan would utterly backfire when you saw the wages of the workers pasted on products. in fact, i would say thats a step directly toward communism.... the bad kind.

[arizonavideo]

To ihavenofish "but china isnt communist."

Please tell me you did not really say that.

If your government wont let you leave and you can't replace bad leaders then it is most likely Communist.

Back OT...

I purchased a manual IH mill a few months ago and it is a good product for the price with a few flaws but some nice upgrades from a standard ZAY7045 type of mill.

It has better lead screws, ground ways, a larger table and hardened gears in the head. The quill is loose and not nearly as tight as a RF-30 type mill. Doing the last pass with the column gets around this but it is a pain.

The mill is 100% made in China.

My shop still smells like the strange grease that they pack everything in!

I do like the mill, it works well and is vary ridged. I do wish my table was flatter and I may CNC it someday.


I did some fly cutting the other day.

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