Made in the USA

[BobWarfield]

Philbur, the manufacturer has stated very clearly the answer to your question, and the conclusion you're drawing is just as clearly incorrect. If you're just here to be a troll and stir up a fight, move on.

Likewise to the IH enthusiasts, Tormach bashing is off topic. IHCNC are making a sincere effort to convey some factual information about these mills and to answer a question that matters to a lot of people. They haven't mentioned Tormach or any other manufacturer, despite the fact that the same cannot be said for the other camp. Why not keep it that way?

It shows a lot more integrity.

Sincerely,

BW

[RP Designs]

Philbur, the manufacturer has stated very clearly the answer to your question, and the conclusion you're drawing is just as clearly incorrect. If you're just here to be a troll and stir up a fight, move on.

Likewise to the IH enthusiasts, Tormach bashing is off topic. IHCNC are making a sincere effort to convey some factual information about these mills and to answer a question that matters to a lot of people. They haven't mentioned Tormach or any other manufacturer, despite the fact that the same cannot be said for the other camp. Why not keep it that way?

It shows a lot more integrity.

Sincerely,

BW

+1
I think both of these machines have been proven quite capable simply by the responses of their respective owners. I think it is much better to keep objective rather than going off on tangents such as where every last screw and nut comes from. Fact is we are a global economy and you would be hard pressed to find many, if any that are 100% sourced anywhere. The economic impact of said products is a discussion for an economics forum. From my perspective, potential buyer, it is much better for me to hear your facts and opinions stated in a clear and concise manner instead of having to wade through pages of diatribe and posturing. Thanks

[philbur]

Bob, if you read my post more carefully you will see that I was referring to the IH manual mill not the CNC mill. My question was rhetorical and I believe my statement was correct. The point was to highlight the irrational exuberance of a number of posters, as some times it can be contagious.

Phil

PS: I object to the troll reference. That's the quickest way to stir up a fight.

Philbur, the manufacturer has stated very clearly the answer to your question, and the conclusion you're drawing is just as clearly incorrect. If you're just here to be a troll and stir up a fight, move on.

Likewise to the IH enthusiasts, Tormach bashing is off topic. IHCNC are making a sincere effort to convey some factual information about these mills and to answer a question that matters to a lot of people. They haven't mentioned Tormach or any other manufacturer, despite the fact that the same cannot be said for the other camp. Why not keep it that way?

It shows a lot more integrity.

Sincerely,

BW

[oltimer]

Philbur;
No need to take your foot out of your mouth again, our opinion of you will always be the same.
oltimer

[banctecbobn]

I'm a IH fan and would love to have this mill. With this said, I'm not sure Gene's opening post is as stated. Please correct me but I am still under the impression the manual mill is completely built and assembled in China with 100 percent China parts. This is correct....right?????? With the Manual mill being the heart of the CNCMILL it's hard to make the impression it's mostly made in the USA.

The China/USA part doesn't matter to me but I am very sensitive to statements made by salesmen. I expect and demand that everything said be 100 percent factual. If not, it's a red flag and I walk. Sales cannot sale me anything, the product sales me. Gene needs to alter his orginal post or clarify in more detail. I'm not being hard on Gene....He opened this can of worms.

Please correct me with facts not opinions.

[rangergt]

banctecbobn, I'm not trying to sound rude but I think you should reread the original post. You are correct that they start out with a manual mill made and assembled in China. When they build a cnc machine they start by disassemling the manual mill and discard all the uneeded components. This leaves you with, as Gene clearly stated 1. The casting for the mill including the gear head. 2. The spindle motor. 3. A few electronic circuitry pieces. At this point the rest of the components and the assembly are made in the usa. Straight forward and simple facts nothing else. Just because a few other posters went off on a tangent don't blame Gene. Its good to see people taking pride in the fact that their product is made in the usa. Although I'm Canadian (please don't judge us all by ihavenofish ), our economies are tied together I support North American products when possible.

[EvanVH]

Gene

I am sorry about the "Tormach Bashing (????)". I was stating a fact about another mill and I got a little loud. I just thought it was cool to know that some of the profit is going to an American family.

Sorry about rocking the boat guys. Now you can return to smooth waters.




Evan

[banctecbobn]

Rangergt, your not being or sounding rude. I need and want to be corrected if I'm wrong. Maybe I'm just looking at things differently but I reread the post several times before posting and then again as you requested. I still feel the same and would really like to know if I'm still wrong. When you look at IH's CNC upgrade kit there isn't really that much physical mechanical hardware that is replaced. When finished with upgrading a manuel mill your not going to have much in reguards to left over parts from the orginal mill. If I were able to stand infront of a CNC IH I would start pointing to each componant and ask, is this China or USA. What do you think the outcome would be???

I still really want the manual IH mill and think it's the best on the market in it's class. It's just that if this opening post from Gene was the first I had ever read or heard of the IH cnc machine, I would think it was pretty much a USA machine. This is not the case and this is my point.

This is just a question.....Is the ballnuts and screws USA?

[BobWarfield]

If I were able to stand infront of a CNC IH I would start pointing to each componant and ask, is this China or USA. What do you think the outcome would be???

I still really want the manual IH mill and think it's the best on the market in it's class. It's just that if this opening post from Gene was the first I had ever read or heard of the IH cnc machine, I would think it was pretty much a USA machine. This is not the case and this is my point.

This is just a question.....Is the ballnuts and screws USA?

The outcome would be exactly what Gene said it would be. I have one of these machines. I've taken it completely apart and installed the CNC kit on it.

The ballscrews and nuts are Rockford, and they're made entirely in the USA. See page 14:

http://www.rockfordballscrew.com/pdf...ballscrews.pdf

[nine 16]

RP Designs, goooood question on the availability of a CNC Kit from IH.

Message on the IH site "...Can Only be Purchased with..." Oh well and dang none the less.

Picking up a manual 12Z would be a great way for me to expand my home shop; I like their reputation and their machine's work envelope. I would prefer the IH Kit to one I put together myself (do I hear an Amen!), but I cannot afford both at once.

Apparently IH has good reasons for seeing a difference between unafforable scenario 1 where I buy the 12Z and Kit together but do not put the Kit on the mill for 6 months, versus affordable scenario 2 where I buy just the mill then 6 months later buy the Kit. Either way I have assumed full responsibility for the use of the Kit.

Hmmm, maybe, if when buying their mill, IH could accept a non-refundable deposit on a kit, with a limited kit-purchase window. If I am serious about their kit, I will not loose that refund. If I loose the refund, IH will have covered whatever associated costs there might be. Jus thinking out loud.

Bottom line for me, and many others I bet, is that if I go with their 12Z, I sure would like to use thier kit, I just cannot afford both at once.

What to do? What to do?
-Mark

[joeybagadonuts]

Bob,


In order to be fair it may have been better to say "retrofit in America"

Stating the country of origin of the X1, X2, X3, RF30, RF31, RF45 and Tormach style of machines as China or Taiwan is very true.

It may ruffle some members feathers however it is still true.

On the other hand the country of origin of Sherline, Minitech, Taig and Wigitmaster is USA and they are 100% Built in the USA.

Its not really badmouthing the machine or the company if they are built off shore.

Some people take offense if a product is not made in there country.

There are just as many people here on the Zone that have import machines and love them.

All of these machines are capable of machining decent quality parts so why argue or fight.

JoeyB

[banctecbobn]

Joeybagadonuts,

I agree 1000 percent with your post!!!!!!!!!

Also, why would one not be able to purchase a CNC kit at a later time? Is there small differences or manufacturing changes that require each kit to be fitted for each machine? I probably should call IH's directly but it's always nice to see questions and answers in these post for all to see.