Shars and Glacern vises the same??

[BobWarfield]

BobWarfield

I have more than 40 cat40 holder from Frank at Maritool & only had to send one back for quality problem, He replaced it straight away, the problem I have with him he tells lies as to were his tooling is made, I asked him every time I called him where was his tooling made, he said it was made in USA,His shop in IL, We know now that none of his tooling is made in the USA

Mactec I'm skeptical given that Frank was admitting publicly and in writing he imported the toolholders back when he started selling them:

http://www.cnczone.com/vb...olders-124659/

Frank is a man of integrity in my experience.

Sincerely,

BW

[mactec54]

BobWarfield
I'm not sure were you are coming from with your link He says that he imports some but mostly makes them here in the US, which is not correct, he may make some things here in the US but everything we have had from him has not been made in the US, there has been nothing much wrong with the tooling he is selling, Just what he told us

It just that we though that we were getting US made tooling as that is what he told us we were getting, & it is all made in China

What happened to support the US manufactures & that's what we thought we were doing

[BobWarfield]

BobWarfield
I'm not sure were you are coming from with your link He says that he imports some but mostly makes them here in the US, which is not correct, he may make some things here in the US but everything we have had from him has not been made in the US, there has been nothing much wrong with the tooling he is selling, Just what he told us

It just that we though that we were getting US made tooling as that is what he told us we were getting, & it is all made in China

What happened to support the US manufactures & that's what we thought we were doing

You stated you had a problem with him telling you his CAT40 toolholders you'd bought from him were made in the US. He says straight up in that post that he imports the CAT40 toolholders. You can't get much plainer than that.

mactec, I don't have anything further to say. Mari is in black and white and you're just shucking and jiving. I don't believe Mari ever told you all of his tooling was made in the US. I think he has played it straight from the beginning.

Sincerely,

BW

[mactec54]

Davenco

I have 2 very nice machine shops & buy a lot of tooling of all kinds, We are not affiliated with Shars in any way, (AS YOU SAY) & have brought very little from them, but what we have brought has been very good quality & we know up front what you are buying

So no spam here Davenco

[ksanalytical]

Gentlemen,

I really appreciate most of these comments and I think they shed light on a very important product group. Items manufactured internationally with US quality control and perhaps even value added in the US. I just bought a bunch of Hertel end mills on MSC and was surprised that something as nice as they look was made in Korea.

I should have mentioned earlier that I just received my Glacern 6" precision vise and it looks amazing. My IH order has not been filled so I can't comment objectively at all though. Glacern has this down to $400 (I paid 430) now so I'll concede that the warm fuzzzy feeling I get while watching their videos is easily worth the extra $30. I can't comment on Shars, but Glacern was very responsive via email. If I had cash to burn, I might buy a matched 615 just for kicks. The thing really is beautiful.

If Shars is quoting specs on their cheaper vises which are not accurate, it would make me skeptical about their version of the higher end stuff as well.

If they sold BT30 toolholders I'd be loading up on those too!

Ken

[ksanalytical]

Interesting info from the Glacern site...

"Vise castings are made in Taiwan from 80,000 psi ductile iron, and are then finish ground, assembled, and inspected in the USA. This allows us to combine affordable pricing with guaranteed quality and accuracy. All vises carry a limited lifetime warranty against defects in materials and workmanship."

Ken

[TClarke]

Interesting info from the Glacern site...

"Vise castings are made in Taiwan from 80,000 psi ductile iron, and are then finish ground, assembled, and inspected in the USA. This allows us to combine affordable pricing with guaranteed quality and accuracy. All vises carry a limited lifetime warranty against defects in materials and workmanship."

Ken

Hey ken, yes, glacern has had that info on their website for as long as i can remember. It used to be on their home page.

[Davo J]

Shar's spammed another forum not long ago when there advertising didn't go through quick enough. They showed this beautiful picture of a 4" vise then under that they pictured the 6" vise. The castings on the 6" were crap and the jaw key was crook and every one let them know what they thought. that tread has since been taken down.
I have not heard a bad word about Glacern, with there product or there service.

There is a thread going on PM at the moment, and this is StreetSpeeds comments from it.
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I can't comment on their vises, but I now buy basically all my tool holders from them. Their prices are more than fair, their quality is plenty high, and their customer support is far better than any other tooling company I've worked with.

Quick story: I had a Technik's mill chuck that started to run out .003". I sent it back to Techniks about 6 months ago for them to take a look at it. They finally got it back to me last week and said "We're not sure what's wrong, but you probably messed it up, so we're not going to replace it. We will sell you another one at a 10% discount." I politely said F U.

So I ordered Glacern's mill chuck, which is $100 less. Unfortunately, at 60 ipm and .350 deep with a .625 endmill in aluminum it pulled out, messed up my part and trashed the end mill.

I e-mailed Sol and told him about it, expecting him to say "Well, don't push it so hard." Instead he told me that is totally unacceptable. He paid the shipping for me to send everything back, gave me a prompt and immediate refund on my credit card, and sent me an ER32 holder for free for my troubles. I have no doubt they'll work the bugs out of the collet system on the mill chuck, and when they do I'll buy another in an instant and give it another shot. And he'll probably sell me that one at a deep discount.


Moral of the story: Glacern, good people. Buy from them.
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The full thread is here
http://www.cnczone.com/vb...y-them-201627/

A Glacern vise review
http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/sho...t=glacern+vice

And this is what you get when buying a cheap one
http://www.docsmachine.com/projects/4vise/4vise-01.html

Dave

[SharsTool]

Even if they came from the same source (which I'm sure they don't), based on what I've seen with my own eyes, that would mean that shars gets the factory rejects, hence the lower price.
It has nothing to do with names, it has to do with hard evidence. I've seen both vises. They're not the same.

Hi TClarke, this is Joey from Shars Tool. I just want to clear some air here: 1st) My new SV440 or SV690 or SPV615 or SDV620 vise are made in Taiwan 2nd) My vise are NOT factory rejects (I am shocked that one can make such comment without any hard evidences). 3rd) the spec on the high end vise in question are 100% accurate and each vise come with a inspection sheet showing the measurement on parallelism and other key dimension 4th) I do not know if my SV440 or SV690 or SPV615 or SDV620 vise are made by the same factory as Glacern's vise, but I am confident that my vise would not disappoint anyone if you put my vise against Glacern's vise. 5th) I have been selling these vises, quite a few of them in a short period of time, to machine shops that put them on Haas or Fadal or other CNC mill and so far I have not hear anyone calling me with an issue on quality.

Just because I sell my vise lower in price does not translate to lower quality, I do so just because I am just a competitive person in nature and there are a lot of machine shops and IH needs a high quality vise with a reasonable price.

[SharsTool]

Shar's spammed another forum not long ago when there advertising didn't go through quick enough. They showed this beautiful picture of a 4" vise then under that they pictured the 6" vise. The castings on the 6" were crap and the jaw key was crook and every one let them know what they thought. that tread has since been taken down.
I have not heard a bad word about Glacern, with there product or there service.
Dave

Hi Dave,

This is Joey from Shars Tool. Thanks for bringing this up about the vise key and casting, I have already addressed this two issues with the vendor and on my next shipment of vises, which arrives in May, this problems will go away. Thanks for letting me know about it and I will always try to improve my tool's quality if I hear someone is not satisfied.

[TClarke]

I have been selling these vises, quite a few of them in a short period of time, to machine shops that put them on Haas or Fadal or other CNC mill and so far I have not hear anyone calling me with an issue on quality.
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Not true. Read the archives, people complain about your products frequently, and it's no exception with your new vises.

I've gotten the short end of the stick enough times dealing with you. You say you stand behind your product, but you never actually own up and correct the mistakes. As machinists, it costs us time and money, and empty apologies don't fix that.

[SharsTool]

Not true. Read the archives, people complain about your products frequently, and it's no exception with your new vises.

Hi TClarke,

the vise we are talking about here is my new SV, SPV, & SDV vise, not the vise that is made in China and with a lower price. This new series of vise is a new product for me, and I just started selling them since March of this year. Please tell me where you have seen people complaining about the new. If there is a problem, then I will try to fix it with every resource I have.