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    edge quality

    I'm working on tweaking my edge quality from my powermax45 on my 4x4 table. 1/4" steel is looking pretty good, and I'm cutting around 10% under the recommended speed in the hypertherm manual. Book speed is 60ipm at 45A, I'm running 50ipm with good results.

    Cutting 1/4" aluminum at book speeds results in a very rough edge with a fair amount of dross. Reducing travel to 50% book numbers (I think I was at 36ipm) results in a reasonably acceptable edge, almost no dross and quite square, squarer than steel even, but the edge is still "crumbly", almost like it was cut with a cheese grater. Is that just what you get with air plasma on aluminum, or is it possible to tweak it to a smoother edge? The mild steel edges are quite smooth.
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    That is typical with air plasma on aluminum. It is more of a roughing cut with aluminum until you get into the larger plasma systems that can use more power and different gas combinations. I get some great results up through 3/16" with my 45, but above that the edge is similar to the one in your picture. When I need intricate holes....I cut them undersize and then drill them. Just not enough power....perhaps a 60 amp or 80 amp process would work better.

    Aluminum and stainless are simply a thermal (melting) process, steel is two part, thermal and exothermic (chemical reaction with oxygen content in air).

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    Thanks Jim,

    I haven't tried it yet, but do you think I'll be able to get a fairly clean edge on 0.063" 2024-T3 alclad aluminum? One thing I want to be able to do with this machine is cut aircraft panels, and I'd hate to have to spend a week with a file cleaning up instrument holes.
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    You can do a pretty nice job on that material....assuming the cnc machine can handle speeds and your THC can maintain accurate height.

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    The only thing I'm afraid of is up over 200ipm or so my lines start to get wavy. I know I can reduce feedrate as long as I either reduce current or increase torch standoff, but will running slower than normal with increased standoff mean I have to sacrifice edge quality and angularity?
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    You can reduce current, you can change feedrate.....but it is important to always maintain the recomended standoff. If the book specs recomend .062 " standoff....then do what you have to do to maintain that height. Increasing standoff will cause an increased edge bevel.

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    I get beautifully smooth edges on anything up to 1/8" aluminum with my Powermax45. They require absolutely no prep before welding. My edges on 3/8" are substantially smoother than the 1/4" edges you have pictured, but I haven't cut any 1/4" aluminum unfortunately. Not a very common size for me.

    On .090 I run at 135 IPM, 1/8" at 120 IPM, and 16 gauge at 180 IPM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by super95awd View Post
    I get beautifully smooth edges on anything up to 1/8" aluminum with my Powermax45. They require absolutely no prep before welding. My edges on 3/8" are substantially smoother than the 1/4" edges you have pictured, but I haven't cut any 1/4" aluminum unfortunately. Not a very common size for me.

    On .090 I run at 135 IPM, 1/8" at 120 IPM, and 16 gauge at 180 IPM.
    What welding process are you using? I always have to clean the edges to remove the oxidation before tig welding.
    Dynasty 200dx, Millermatic 175, Princess Auto 4x6 Bandsaw, Hypertherm Powermax 45, torchmate 2x2 CNC plasma, 45ton hydraulic brake press, MTW IH clone (cnc conversion in progress)


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    TIG... All I do sometimes is touch the top and bottom edge with a file, and I mean TOUCH.


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    Hmm if I don't sand the edge then I get lots of black pepper stuff in my welds.

    This is the only example I have on 1/8" aluminum, any suggestions?

    Uncleaned edges you can see the black around the tacks and the tacks themselves are dirty:


    Pre-sanded with flapper wheel lightly before welding to remove oxidation
    Dynasty 200dx, Millermatic 175, Princess Auto 4x6 Bandsaw, Hypertherm Powermax 45, torchmate 2x2 CNC plasma, 45ton hydraulic brake press, MTW IH clone (cnc conversion in progress)


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    This is with no edge preparation, the black pepper crap is an elusive little bugger. It's so inconsistent in my experience.

    Nice beads BTW!



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