work shift

[teamus]

Once the tools are touched off to Z zero they don't have to be re-touched when you workshift. I set zero with my finish face and touch all other tools there.

[JohnnyTurn]

You don't read well, hence your lack of understanding. I am sure you are able to get the job done with your methods. But you are stuck in your ways and I have met plenty of your type the last 17 years and have replaced and surpassed them all with my skills and problem solving.

Don't answer my replies in the future. I find you boring.

JT

[teamus]

confused:

Originally Posted by JohnnyTurn You don't read well, hence your lack of understanding. I am sure you are able to get the job done with your methods. But you are stuck in your ways and I have met plenty of your type the last 17 years and have replaced and surpassed them all with my skills and problem solving. Don't answer my replies in the future. I find you boring. JT

[g-codeguy]

Originally Posted by teamus confused:

Don't worry. Pretty sure he is talking to me. Look on the first page. I asked him for a further explanation on how he goes from job to job since he doesn't use a workshift. Except to move all the tools in or out once set up. Best I could figure out is that he resets every tool when a new job gets set up since he doesn't use a workshift. So I asked for more details so I could fully understand his method. I truly would like to know what it is that I am missing.

JohnnyTurn was quite upset with me on another thread when I disagreed with his statement that you couldn't thread 316 SS over 1000 RPM. Right away he accused me of only running brass and aluminum, and that he could tell that I was one of those guys who if I ever did run a 316 SS job would feel like I had really accomplished something.

He never did reply when I mentioned that I thought I had a little bit of experience with 316 SS since we run it on a daily basis, and that I was programming for 316 SS (and setting up and running the job) while he was still in school.

You will notice that he has a pretty high opinion of himself. Bet his hat size is XXL. He runs some pretty close tolerance jobs. Apparently the rest of us don't. Not nearly the kind of "super precision parts" that he runs "all the time".

Now he tells me that I am one of those old guys stuck in the past not able to change my old ways of doing things. The kind he easily surpasses. Apparently I can't read very well either. I will try harder.

I do like to learn new things. Just because someone is younger than I or has worked less years in the business than I doesn't mean I am not willing to listen to what they have to say. Never know. I might learn something new. It appears that JohnnyTurn's way is the only correct way. Or at least the very best way. The rest of us can only dream of having his abilities.

I gather from his previous posts that Johnny Turn likes to learn occasionally himself. I like that about him. Apparently he is pretty good at his job. I like that about him. I just don't think I could put up with his conceited and condescending attitude for very long.

[teamus]

Originally Posted by g-codeguy Don't worry. Pretty sure he is talking to me. Look on the first page. I asked him for a further explanation on how he goes from job to job since he doesn't use a workshift. Except to move all the tools in or out once set up. Best I could figure out is that he resets every tool when a new job gets set up since he doesn't use a workshift. So I asked for more details so I could fully understand his method. I truly would like to know what it is that I am missing. JohnnyTurn was quite upset with me on another thread when I disagreed with his statement that you couldn't thread 316 SS over 1000 RPM. Right away he accused me of only running brass and aluminum, and that he could tell that I was one of those guys who if I ever did run a 316 SS job would feel like I had really accomplished something. He never did reply when I mentioned that I thought I had a little bit of experience with 316 SS since we run it on a daily basis, and that I was programming for 316 SS (and setting up and running the job) while he was still in school. You will notice that he has a pretty high opinion of himself. Bet his hat size is XXL. He runs some pretty close tolerance jobs. Apparently the rest of us don't. Not nearly the kind of "super precision parts" that he runs "all the time". Now he tells me that I am one of those old guys stuck in the past not able to change my old ways of doing things. The kind he easily surpasses. Apparently I can't read very well either. I will try harder. I do like to learn new things. Just because someone is younger than I or has worked less years in the business than I doesn't mean I am not willing to listen to what they have to say. Never know. I might learn something new. It appears that JohnnyTurn's way is the only correct way. Or at least the very best way. The rest of us can only dream of having his abilities. I gather from his previous posts that Johnny Turn likes to learn occasionally himself. I like that about him. Apparently he is pretty good at his job. I like that about him. I just don't think I could put up with his conceited and condescending attitude for very long.

I totally agree with you. I don't think I have ever known anyone with a better opinion of himself but when challenged seems to lose confidence and simply says "don't talk to me anymore". Perhaps he is just mentally immature

[g-codeguy]

Teamus, I honestly would like to understand how JT is setting up without a workshift. Did you read my reply to him? Seems to me that every set-up is going to require resetting all the tools using his method. A waste of time. Which is why I asked for further input from him.

Many of the tools remain the same when going from one job to another on our lathes. Drills change. Boring bars, groove bars and bars I use for back chamfering IDs may change. Turning, grooving, threading and c-o tools usually stay in the same station. I don't see how his method could be better and faster than my method.

Program gets loaded. Hit cycle start with Optional Stop on and let it barstop. Face off at a known dimension with the roughing tool. Touch off any new tools. Rock and roll. If there is a better way, then I am willing to try it. Even if it means changing all my current programs. Time is money.

I may be an old fart, but I've never considered myself to know it all. If an 18 year old can show me a better way, then I'll change my methods. Simple as that.

I am getting a bit of flack at work because I am using macro programming more. The other lathe programmer doesn't seem to be very interested in learning it. He strictly sticks with MasterCam. I've offered to show him. He's an excellent machinist and a good programmer, but doesn't seem to be interested in learning. Younger than me, BTW.

This also forces the operators to learn. Had the same problem when I made my first master program and used macros to control the OD diameters. Foreman wasn't too thrilled. Now if I don't use macros on the ODs he comes and asks me to put them in.

Problem with using the macros for my barfeed and cut-off ops is that when I take time off and the other programmer has to modify an old program to run the new way, it often has to wait for me to come back. Unacceptable even to me. Cut-off doesn't need to be changed, but the barfeed op does. It dresses new bars.

Changes have to be made one way or the other. Either you make a few simple changes to my G65 call or you would have to either (1) modify the barstop subprogram every time stock size changes or material grade changes, or (2) you put the barstop operation in every program and make the changes there. I prefer my method. Even operators with any common sense at all can make the necessary changes to my G65 call.

Sorry for the long post. Seems one thing led to another.

[teamus]

Originally Posted by g-codeguy Teamus, I honestly would like to understand how JT is setting up without a workshift. Did you read my reply to him? Seems to me that every set-up is going to require resetting all the tools using his method. A waste of time. Which is why I asked for further input from him. Many of the tools remain the same when going from one job to another on our lathes. Drills change. Boring bars, groove bars and bars I use for back chamfering IDs may change. Turning, grooving, threading and c-o tools usually stay in the same station. I don't see how his method could be better and faster than my method. Program gets loaded. Hit cycle start with Optional Stop on and let it barstop. Face off at a known dimension with the roughing tool. Touch off any new tools. Rock and roll. If there is a better way, then I am willing to try it. Even if it means changing all my current programs. Time is money. I may be an old fart, but I've never considered myself to know it all. If an 18 year old can show me a better way, then I'll change my methods. Simple as that. I am getting a bit of flack at work because I am using macro programming more. The other lathe programmer doesn't seem to be very interested in learning it. He strictly sticks with MasterCam. I've offered to show him. He's an excellent machinist and a good programmer, but doesn't seem to be interested in learning. Younger than me, BTW. This also forces the operators to learn. Had the same problem when I made my first master program and used macros to control the OD diameters. Foreman wasn't too thrilled. Now if I don't use macros on the ODs he comes and asks me to put them in. Problem with using the macros for my barfeed and cut-off ops is that when I take time off and the other programmer has to modify an old program to run the new way, it often has to wait for me to come back. Unacceptable even to me. Cut-off doesn't need to be changed, but the barfeed op does. It dresses new bars. Changes have to be made one way or the other. Either you make a few simple changes to my G65 call or you would have to either (1) modify the barstop subprogram every time stock size changes or material grade changes, or (2) you put the barstop operation in every program and make the changes there. I prefer my method. Even operators with any common sense at all can make the necessary changes to my G65 call. Sorry for the long post. Seems one thing led to another.

Thanks for taking the time. I think you are one of the more knowledgeable people on this site. I would like to know a lot more about macros and I bought a couple of books that you had recommended (by Peter Smid) but I still can't understand them enough to produce a workable a macro. I might have started at a higher level and missed the basics.

[g-codeguy]

Hey, I love macro programming!!! What are you trying to do with one? I should be able to help you if it is for a lathe. Unfortunately I don't program mills although we do have some C-axis lathes that get some basic milling done on. Nothing fancy.

[Allen Thompson]

Originally Posted by g-codeguy You would screw yourself real quick if you started moving the X workshift.

Screw yourself ?? Where is you sense of adventure, man! Nuttin' like turning a half inch part programmed to X-23.45342 Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee........

[g-codeguy]

Originally Posted by Allen Thompson Screw yourself ?? Where is you sense of adventure, man! Nuttin' like turning a half inch part programmed to X-23.45342 Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee........

LOL. Sorry. I'm kind of a sedate type of guy. I will leave it to the more adventurous to find a new passage to the West Indies.

[Allen Thompson]

Originally Posted by g-codeguy LOL. Sorry. I'm kind of a sedate type of guy. I will leave it to the more adventurous to find a new passage to the West Indies.

Whilst I do concur that it does *not* apply to where one chooses to put one's X0 on lathe parts, they would have found more yummy pumpkin pie spices sooner had they gone East to find the West Indies. Although Chris and his crew would have had a Dickens of a time paddling the Suez Canal.

Safe Travels, g.