SRT, the HAAS can use a command G187 E.0003 without having the HSM option. What it does is determines the amount of over/under travel the machine is allowed when going around a corner. Exxxx is the value to keep within.
HTH
'Rekd
Thanks to all, for all the replies.
cadcam,
Yes it would be mostly cutting alum., with high speed and light cuts. I'm not sure how to answer your question about "what type of feed are you looking at in the Haas machine"?
Another question that I would like to have answered is, do Haas mills come with corner accel & deaccell as standard, or is that an option in their HSM machines?
SRT, the HAAS can use a command G187 E.0003 without having the HSM option. What it does is determines the amount of over/under travel the machine is allowed when going around a corner. Exxxx is the value to keep within.
HTH
'Rekd
Matt
San Diego, Ca
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hey jimmy
do you see that .003 growth fluctuate after you warm up the machine or does it grow that .003 and stay there.do you keep the machine running so you you don't lose any temp. thruout the day or nite.
rollie
I was meaning are you hoping to get up in the 200 to 300 range or higher?"what type of feed are you looking at in the Haas machine"?
I have done multisurface up in the 800ipm but not on a Haas.
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Cadcam
Turning Product Specialist for a Software Company, contract Programming and Consultant , Cad-Cam Instructor of Mastercam .
They keep the machine running 24 hrs a day monday thru friday and up to 11:00 am saturday morning just to get it to stay kind of close. They can not get good parts at all on the machine.
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Which machine and which spindle are they running.We are now looking into the mikron vcp 600 and vcp 1000 with 20,000
rpm spindles.What kind of work are they doing.We do core and cavity work in steel and alum.Also which control are they using.
rollie
sorry that last reply was for jimmy but if anyone else knows anything let me know
rollie
Hey guys
We are now the proud owners of a new Makino S33 verticle mill.
I finally convinced the bosses to buy one. I can't wait until we get it in.
Anyone use one of these?
Last edited by MachineSMM; 07-09-2003 at 06:57 AM.
MachineSMM
Nice machines have lots of fun.
How long till you get it.
PEACE
We should be getting it next week sometime. Hopefully have it under power by the end of next week.
I can't wait!!
Last edited by MachineSMM; 07-09-2003 at 07:45 AM.
MachineSMM
That's fast. When we get a new machine we always have to wait 2-3 months
The place we are buying it from has it at there place which is about 15 mile away. That is why we can get it so fast.
MachineSMM
Originally posted by hardmill
You guys took off w/ this thread
>Boston Digital is now owned by Mikron and from
>actual experience I would not recommend these
>machines. Especially the mikron.
Boston Digital is NOT owned by Mikron. Within
this thread, I wonder how much more information
is misleading or false?
Boston Digital is now Bostomatic. Bostomatic and
Mikron are seperate corps. Both owned by the
AC Group which is the largest manufacturing solution
provider in the world.
>Makino - good
>roeders- good
>OKK is supposed to be a pretty tight machine.
>Know a guy who owns 4 and he's in love w/ them.
>I also know a dealer who sells all types, he says
>OKKs his favorite.
I know a guy that owns 1 of them and he hates the
machine. Like any other product, some people will
love them and other will dislike them.
>Yasda - hands down the best of the best. with a price tag
>to match, but as they say you get what you pay for. Definetly
>the best machines out for high speed and hard machining.
>I had 2 at my last shop.
Give us more details on why Yasda is the best.
>As far as controls go i did'nt care for the heidenhein,
Why not?
>I'm a FANUC guy all the way.
>Everyone uses them , so with that said "how can that many
>people be wrong?"
Earlier, the FANUC control was not designed for HSM. In 85' the
SPCII control from Boston Digital had a HD on the control
and was designed for HSM. Later the company lead the
industry into HSM with high end / high performance machining
centers equiped with ethernet, 2 gig HD and .9ms bpt control.
All in the early 90'. Not everyone could afford one like a
standard machine with a fancu control. These machines are
a dime a dozen and this is why they are popular. If you bought
a commodity machine, you got a funuc control.
>Thats all i got to say about that
>PEACE
This is the info we were fed when we bought a Mikron at ourBoston Digital is now Bostomatic. Bostomatic and
Mikron are seperate corps. Both owned by the
AC Group which is the largest manufacturing solution
provider in the world.
last shop. If the Mikron boys can't get it straight thats their
prob.
If you know hard machining you know why yasda isYasda - hands down the best of the best. with a price tag
to match, but as they say you get what you pay for. Definetly
the best machines out for high speed and hard machining.
I had 2 at my last shop.
tops. By far the most rigid and accurate @ high and low speeds
capible of holding .0002 depth, linears or dias. all day long. And
this comes from hands on experience.
If you want to prog at the machine go right ahead. I'll continueEarlier, the FANUC control was not designed for HSM. In 85' the
SPCII control from Boston Digital had a HD on the control
and was designed for HSM. Later the company lead the
industry into HSM with high end / high performance machining
centers equiped with ethernet, 2 gig HD and .9ms bpt control.
All in the early 90'. Not everyone could afford one like a
standard machine with a fancu control. These machines are
a dime a dozen and this is why they are popular. If you bought
a commodity machine, you got a funuc control.
to watch while i'm at the computer. At the machine is not where
its at, but if thats what you enjoy go right ahead. Conversational
controls just don't float my boat.
Pretty harsh accusations would'nt you say, from a first timeBoston Digital is NOT owned by Mikron. Within
this thread, I wonder how much more information
is misleading or false?
poster.
Maybe you should contact mikrons west coast sales,
they obviously talk like their machines run. Sketchy
Again PEACEThats all i got to say about that
>PEACE
You guys love throwing "holding .0002" around. I believeIf you know hard machining you know why yasda is
tops. By far the most rigid and accurate @ high and low speeds
capible of holding .0002 depth, linears or dias. all day long. And
this comes from hands on experience.
this one. On a Big Plus - 7/24 taper spindle?
I perfer not to guess, so please explain.If you know hard machining you know why yasda is
tops
Now this would be silly. You can do both ISO and conversationalIf you want to prog at the machine go right ahead. I'll continue
to watch while i'm at the computer. At the machine is not where
its at, but if thats what you enjoy go right ahead. Conversational
controls just don't float my boat.
on the Heidenhain. Your statement misleads people into thinking
the Heidenhain control can only be programmed using conversational code.
When you have an interest into a particular brand, one tends to
bring comment on the another brand based on 'hear-say' rather then through
extensive experience.
I have nothing to sell......
iceo
do you have any mikron machines or ever use one
rollie
I also have nothing to sell.Now this would be silly. You can do both ISO and conversational
on the Heidenhain. Your statement misleads people into thinking
the Heidenhain control can only be programmed using conversational code.
When you have an interest into a particular brand, one tends to
bring comment on the another brand based on 'hear-say' rather then through extensive experience.
I have nothing to sell......
I'm not the one who boasts of their conversational code, nor
an inability to do otherwise. I don't need a control w/ all
kind of bells and whistles, my (cadcam)programming skills is my concern.
Not hear say I actually choose not to be a part of that control.
I have seen it in action
Thats all I said, nothing more and I stick by it.As far as controls go i did'nt care for the heidenhein,
I had my choice and chose the Fanuc 16i.
Yes it was with a big plus system. And why would'nt you throwYou guys love throwing "holding .0002" around. I believe
this one. On a Big Plus - 7/24 taper spindle?
.0002 tol around not just any machine can do it. I know from
experience the Mikron can't do it. Ask Jimmy (also a Mod. here)
he still works there.
I will not back away from anything said, as I say it from real
experience. Nor will I be goated into an argument.
I speak w/ a 20 yr. machining background, I am currently
starting a consulting business for high speed and hard
machining and recently became a Mastercam Refferal
Dealer.
People are here asking for real answers from individuals
w/ real time experience.
We have yet to here of your experience "iceo".
Excuse me for being so rude, Welcome to the forum
PEACE
Hardmill has done nothing but help me with every question that I have asked of him. He has openly shared his knowledge with everyone here. I don't know why people have to come here and try to stir things up. It gets really old.
Hardmill, just ignore that guy and let’s get back to business. I would like to talk to you tomorrow sometime. Our new Makino will be in the middle of next week and I would like to get your opinion on tooling.
Please Email me at:
christellers@eschelon.com
Thanks
MachineSMM
Is this on a 3 or 5 axis machine? If this is a 5 axis machine, then show me ANYYes it was with a big plus system. And why would'nt you throw
.0002 tol around not just any machine can do it. I know from
experience the Mikron can't do it. Ask Jimmy (also a Mod. here)
he still works there.
5 axis mill that can hold .0002. I don't think you can.
3 axis is what we're talking about here. Yasda's 5axis would haveOriginally posted by iceo
Is this on a 3 or 5 axis machine? If this is a 5 axis machine, then show me ANY
5 axis mill that can hold .0002. I don't think you can.
no problem w/ .0005. Your beautiful Mikron could'nt even hold
.002. Lets face it pal that machines in a different league(little).
If you got something constructive to say, go right ahead, I
welcome the challenge. It's just a little funny that you do
nothing but try (I say try) to get under my skin. You will not
move this rock.
Again welcome to our forum. Enjoy your stay.
Yes Iceo,iceo
do you have any mikron machines or ever use one
Lets here what you have to say? Rather than trying (i say trying)
to psycho-anaylize anything I say. Do you have anything to
say about the Mikron, But we are talking.real time machining
experience. None of this salesmen jargon trying to convince
someone to buy your machine.
We all want to hear of your machining experience, day in day out
with the machine.
PEACE
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