Budget Price on a Mini Mill

[Babba]

I f#*KKi'n HATE salesmen so despite REALLY needing a £price on a Haas Mini Mill I'm reluctant to call them & expose myself to the vermin.

Can anyone put my mind at rest & confirm whether or not I can afford one?

I'd want 10 tool changer, 6000rpm's & preferably single phase. Ethernet would be nice too.

I'm thinking £8k but deep inside I probably know that's a little on the low side.

[veteq]

Times 4

[JohnJW]

I got the Enet/hd option when the older controllers do not come with USB standard. Now that USB is standard I will probably skid the ENet/HD option if its only purpose is file transfer/storage.

Haas is running a sale but I don't know if the sale applies outside of US. Anyway, initially I had a really hard time understanding the pricing structure of machine tools. Now I just view it as a fairly specialized market that has is easy influenced with the current market supply and demand. What was a good deal a month ago may be an impossible deal today though a couple month later the negotiated price may drop even more. I do my research and set a price target I am comfortable with. It's a free market, we set our buying price and they set their selling price. If we all agree then there's a sale. Nothing to be upset about. If I end up with a Haas, that's great, if not, it's okay as well.

Though I think I may have boxed myself in by gushing about how much I like Haas in front of the sales person and that I'm only interested in buying machines that are made in the US. . . . .

[Geof]

Originally Posted by veteq Times 4

REALLY!!!!!

Thirty two thousand pounds for a more or less standard MiniMill.

[Babba]

Originally Posted by JohnJW I got the Enet/hd option when the older controllers do not come with USB standard. Now that USB is standard I will probably skid the ENet/HD option if its only purpose is file transfer/storage. Haas is running a sale but I don't know if the sale applies outside of US. Anyway, initially I had a really hard time understanding the pricing structure of machine tools. Now I just view it as a fairly specialized market that has is easy influenced with the current market supply and demand. What was a good deal a month ago may be an impossible deal today though a couple month later the negotiated price may drop even more. I do my research and set a price target I am comfortable with. It's a free market, we set our buying price and they set their selling price. If we all agree then there's a sale. Nothing to be upset about. If I end up with a Haas, that's great, if not, it's okay as well. Though I think I may have boxed myself in by gushing about how much I like Haas in front of the sales person and that I'm only interested in buying machines that are made in the US. . . . .

You've mentioned at least 3 of the reasons why I would rather slit a salesmans throat than disscuss £prices.

Why can't they just work out what it costs them to make the damn things then add a little bit on for profit?

In the UK they're calling it an "ex-demo" sale & I've been invited to attend on the dates THEY would like me to attend !

If I were sure that the only person that came near me was a bloke called Arthur who normally loads the lorries but would be happy to show me around, then I'd happily attend & probably spend some £money.

Alas, I'll be greeted by some 'wide tied' snake who'll want to know all my intimate details before they waste their time on hard selling me a product that I'm more than capable of reverse engineering to the very last penny of £cost.

[Babba]

Originally Posted by Geof REALLY!!!!! Thirty two thousand pounds for a more or less standard MiniMill.

When shaking hands at your intial introduction the SalesVermin is looking closely & focusing at your forehead.

"Does it say TWAT anywhere amongst those furrows?"

If it does. then you could very well end up paying 32k. If it doesn't, then you could spend as little as ????

Personally I don't care to barter. I certainly don't care to barter with salesmen.

"Gimme a price, if that price is right we have a deal. I don't have the time to discover my highest & your lowest"

[ihavenofish]

Originally Posted by Geof REALLY!!!!! Thirty two thousand pounds for a more or less standard MiniMill.

yay for VAT

in any case, without talking to an evil haas salesman you can get a quote of the US website in US dollars.

haas minimill - $33,000us
atc is standard, as is 6k spindle.

coolant is $500 extra
it does appear to handle single phase.
control features like rigid tapping are extra though.. that ones $1500us.

you'll easily hit $40000us with just a few options, so in the uk.. yes, 32,000 pounds after taxes and the like is very concievable.


8,000 likely wont even get a older used one and a demo will likely be loaded with options and cost more than the basic new one even with a big discount. that price is more tormach range sadly.

heres a loaded 1 year old used one:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/2008-Haas-Mini-Mi...3286.m20.l1116

you might be able to get that to the uk and installed for a bit under 30k pounds.

[PeterACT]

Originally Posted by Geof REALLY!!!!! Thirty two thousand pounds for a more or less standard MiniMill.

There is newly developed desktop CNC machine by Advanced Control Tech (ACT). It is compact, light weight, high precision, for all metals with affordable price. The complete turn key system is just under $10,000.
If you looking for a smaller and high performance CNC machines. It will be your best choice. You can visit the website at www.ACTmachines.com for details.

[JohnJW]

Originally Posted by Babba You've mentioned at least 3 of the reasons why I would rather slit a salesmans throat than disscuss £prices. Why can't they just work out what it costs them to make the damn things then add a little bit on for profit?

That "little bit" of profit varies in definition from one person to the next. For our company and I think it's also true for other companies in a competitive market, the pricing of our product is not determined by our cost, it's a reflection of market condition. If we were to try a fix percentage approach to our pricing we'll find ourselves stuck with a warehouse full of overpriced items and constantly out of stock on under priced items, neither of which is desirable.

To be honest, as buyers we really don't care about the seller's cost., otherwise GM will still be in business. GM sells at no profit and people are still flock to Toyota selling at a higher profit.

[Geof]

Originally Posted by PeterACT There is newly developed desktop CNC machine by Advanced Control Tech (ACT). It is compact, light weight, high precision, for all metals with affordable price. The complete turn key system is just under $10,000. If you looking for a smaller and high performance CNC machines. It will be your best choice. You can visit the website at www.ACTmachines.com for details.

Not really equivalent to a MiniMill; compare 16" x 12" x 10", rapids at 600 ipm, fully enclosed, 10 place toolchanger.

[veteq]

You`re right Geof ,

Also 32k maybe is a bit much, but i think it will be closer to 32k then 8,5k.

Think for 8,5k you could buy a nice Tormach cnc mill.

Hee Babba, it was a fast answer, the mentoned machines are in the hobby segment compared with the mini mill. Don`t know a machine that is in the same or lower price region as the Haas.

Kind regards,

Roy B.

[Geof]

Originally Posted by Babba .....Personally I don't care to barter. I certainly don't care to barter with salesmen. "Gimme a price, if that price is right we have a deal. I don't have the time to discover my highest & your lowest"

I have a lot of empathy for this approach. I only bartered once on a (used) machine, or I should say I offered 35.000 when the asking price was 43,000. When they balked I asked what was their lowest price and got it for 38,500 which was a very good price for a four year old HL1.

Since then the salesmane has always pulled out the best price he could for me without even haggling.

Incidentally the 32,000 or so pounds correlates with my experience in comparing prices between here and the UK; the number is the same it is just the squiggly symbol in front that changes. This seems to work for hotel rooms, restaurant bills, car hire, whatever. It also works for me because I export stuff to the UK.