Haas vs Mori

[smallplanes]

How does the Haas mills compare to the Mori mills?

[nervis1]

http://www.moriseiki.co.jp/english/



That's Moris bottom of the barrel machine on the front page there, it's about twice what the equivalent Haas costs. I priced them and with options there can be severe sticker shock.

They are pretty nice though, really well built. Never ran one but everyone who does say they are the top dog.

Haas makes a fine machine, just bought one myself. I know lots of guys on the Onecnc forum who are making a very good living making parts with Haas machines and would not buy anything else.

Guess it comes down to how much money you have and what you are cutting. If it's exotic alloys all day every day maybe you should consider Mori. Course I know a guy does all kinds of Ti on Haas machines and does just fine. I'd go look at them both and decide if you want two Haas machines or one Mori for your money.

I see lots of bad comments about Haas being a throw away mechine but still have yet to see anyone throwing one away. Fact I see them fetching pretty good prices used.

[Jarwalcot]

Are we talking new or older machine's?

[tobyaxis]

I'd say "No Way"!!!!! Mori Seiki is one of the Best Built machines on the market next to Methods Matsuura and Enshu VMC's. Extremely Pricey though compared to a HAAS. I have only used the older machines but they hold up to some aggressive cuts that I wouldn't dare try on a HAAS with Linear Ways. Mori's, Hitachi's, and Mitsui Seiki's are Great Machines with Awsome Track Records. The word "Seiki" in Japanese means "Precision" so I am told.

No pun intended to HAAS owners. HAAS are still good machines and personally I'd like the little Office VMC in my home. I just have to convince the little woman that I'm not crazy

[psychomill]

Without really getting into a who's better debate or how much of a POS one machine is.... the real questions at this point is what are you planning on doing with the machine? Is this your first one? Are you a small shop still getting your feet wet? How much production are you talking? Material types and cost management? A Haas has its place... a Mori can do anything a Haas does but not the other way around..... but this doesn't negate the decision to buy a Haas. I have all the high end machines and guess what?... I have some Haas machines too. I think a little more info on your plans might get you some better opinions....

[HuFlungDung]

When it comes to taking thousands of passes to finish a nice mold, I'm always glad to have those ball bearing linear ways. That way I don't feel like I took a year off the life of my machine in only a day or two. I don't have to work extremely massive parts or tough materials, though.

I am also a convert to the 'light and fast' machining paradigm, mainly because it helps avoid real catastrophes such as when a tool that is deeply engaged in the cut fails for some reason. I get enough jollies taking manly cuts with insert drills.

[smallplanes]

Well to tell you the truth i allready have four Mori Seiki 's mills and eight Mori lathes and there great in most every way. The only down fall is the Nc memory,they will not hold very long programs. I run alot of stainless ,4340 steel , copper,D2 tool steel and aluminum in my mills so i know the Mori's can do it all. I just have some jobs where the only thing im using the mill for is to drill very close hole sizes on and indexer, the thing is that i have two mills every day all day doing this(the mat. is 1045 steel). I thought of getting a little cheaper mill to do this with and was wondering if the Haas or some other cheaper mill would be good for this?

Thanks

[tobyaxis]

Well to tell you the truth i allready have four Mori Seiki 's mills and eight Mori lathes and there great in most every way. The only down fall is the Nc memory,they will not hold very long programs. I run alot of stainless ,4340 steel , copper,D2 tool steel and aluminum in my mills so i know the Mori's can do it all. I just have some jobs where the only thing im using the mill for is to drill very close hole sizes on and indexer, the thing is that i have two mills every day all day doing this(the mat. is 1045 steel). I thought of getting a little cheaper mill to do this with and was wondering if the Haas or some other cheaper mill would be good for this?

Thanks

A HAAS will do just fine in that application and a lot Higher than that. Get the HAAS.

[psychomill]

In that case, the Haas will do what you're looking for.

The only down fall is the Nc memory,they will not hold very long programs.

Which control are these using? You can upgrade the memory (if you haven't already), have a Data Server installed, drip feed, or run from a memory card/stick.

[GOLETABRIAN]

I would only buy the HAAS if you have service is close to you. We have three mills and they each break around 3-5 times a year. I've had my eye on the new Mori dura series.

[smallplanes]

Well they have a few different controls but there all Fanuc. The machine i use to make a lot of piece work on is a NV 5000B it has a 18i control and i did have more memory added. But when i put a long engraving program in it did not have enuff memory(or with out take every program out the control). I tried drip feed but i hate that method i do like what you said about the memory card feed. How do you get the machine to run the program on the card?

I might also look into the Dura mill.

Thanks

[dertsap]

stick with mori