tl-2 program integrity error and program data error alarm #'s 212 250 need help

[CNChelp]

hey all im new to the forum and i see there is a lot of knolage here. anyway to the point i have a haas tl-2 and i was running a normal program on it when all of the sudden i got these two alarms and they prompted me to save all prgrams to a disk and then delet all the prgrams off the tl-2 and then reload all the programs back on to the tl-2. so this brings me to were i am now i got all my prgrams off of my tl-2 via rs232 on to my laptop then i tried reloading them and had no sucksess so i hand wrote them on the tl-2 and tryed running the program i graphed it then ran it and it seemed to be ok so i wrote the other half of the prgram and graphed it and it seemed to be ok and i went to run it and it gave me a z over travel range alarm 318 witch is odd because i had just graphed it and it was ok now it is giving me the two alarms 212 and 250 witch ar the program integrity and data alarms when i select a program and at startup i dont know what to do and i dont want to get a haas tech if i dont have to becuse they are expensive

thanks for all the help i will be waiting with baited breath for your replys

[Geof]

I have had those alarms a few times on different machines with floppy drives. You saved via RS232 so I assume you do not have a floppy drive?

I did what the manual tells you, download everything to a floppy, Delete ALL and then reload everything.

One time this did not work; I downloaded, deleted ALL and then reloaded but got the same alarm. I opened the text file that I got from the download and found some garbage characters. I can't remember what they where; something like $$$ and other characters that don't belong in a Gcode program. So I went through the file and tidied it up so there were no characters that did not belong and then it reloaded fine. Fortunately I only had about ten programs on the machine.

Another time I had to turn the power off to the machine and then when it was powered up again I could do the reload.

If you are doing the reload via RS232 there is one thing I have discovered and that is that you can successfully download programs with long comments between ( ). But if the comment is long enough it wraps onto a second line in the program the program will not load by RS232. I found that these long comments seem to get chopped off and then you are missing the closing ) so it alarms.

[CNChelp]

you are corect about me not having a flopy drive and all the rest of what you said is great imput but it doesnt really help me write now because i dont have any unwanted characters and i dont have any coments in the programs i was tying to load from my computer and the are not even tranmiting from my computer at all it tells me the port is open but both the machine and the computer bolth say they are waiting for each other to send and recive so im still lost in the quarks of haas OS

thanks agian for you imput i will add it to my arsenal

[gar]

060511-1402 EST USA

CNChelp:

Fundamentally RS232 communication is very simple on a HAAS.

First, your communication parameters must be set the same at both the CNC and computer. My preference for most customers is 7 data bits, EVEN parity, 1 stop bit, and XON/XOFF. Then at the CNC you will use pins 2, 3, and 7 for data. Short pin 4 to 5 but it is not necessary unless HAAS has done something different than usual on some machine. Fanuc may require 4 and 5 shorted. For Fanuc compatibility short pins 6, 8, and 20 together, but a separate shorting from 4 and 5. HAAS does not use 6, 8, and 20 internally, but only shorts them together at the 25 pin connector.

For HAAS to receive all ALARMS must be cleared, then select PROGRAM LIST, hit the END key to get the cursor on ALL. Next press RECV RS232. The display will probably read WAITING.

From your computer send the program.

The program at you computer to be sent must start with a %. On the next line there should be a valid Onumber, such as O0145. On the following lines you must have a valid program. Some kinds of errors will cause HAAS to fault during loading with an error message, and unfortunately none of your program being loaded will appear in HAAS to allow troubleshooting. At the end of your program there must be another % .

A very simple program to use for test might be

%
O0145
(This is a test)
M30
%

This will either load or produce an error. I am not at a machine to test the result.

After HAAS receives the first % the screen message changes from WAITING to LOADING. After the second % is received a message indicating this occurs, and the O# program you just loaded will appear in the program list.

If HAAS never changes from WAITING to LOADING, then the first % was not received. In this case check your wiring and RS232 parameter settings.

Please paragraph your comments by using 2 carriage returns (enter key) where appropriate.

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[gar]

060511-1906 EST USA

CNChelp:

I have tested the short program of my previous post, and this loads without error. The HAAS end message is RS232 Done. This test was done on our 1993 VF-2.

One of your error messages indicated a possible low battery. For reference our 93 VF-2 has never had the backup battery replaced.

If you can not detect any response at HAAS when you send a program, then you need to determine if your PC is actually sending data.

If you can get my small program to load, then you can add some more code and see if it still loads.

Go to my web site www.beta-a2.com and then to the E232 Photo page for some troubleshooting information. Note: the schematic drawing is not for connection to a PC 9 pin connector. The changes for that are described in the text.

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[marto74]

I had the same problem with my TRM 1
Except the allarm the machine was working ok.
Just the alarm evry time you change the active program.
I do not have floppy too.
So HAAS service man came and just
uploded the software of the machine again via RS 232 with CIMCO.
That's all

Reards: MARTIN

[gar]

060513-0627 EST USA

CNChelp:

Have you tried my short program? Does it load without error?

If the short program loads without error, then have you added some more code to see it that loads ok, and if not what may cause the error?

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[CNChelp]

come to find out it was a problem in the machine and i had to have a haas tech come out and re-initialize the thing anyway thats all and it back up and running now

thanks for all the help

[gar]

060519-1423 EST USA

CNChelp:

What do you mean by reinitialize? Was this simply reloading the settings and parameters, or more than that?

Have you backed up you settings and parameters? This you can do thru RS232. You can also save your offsets..

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[CNChelp]

ya it seemed simple i think that is all he did he just told the machine to debug and and then told it what machine it was and then he reloaded my offsets if i could get a tutorial on how to do this my self it would have saved me 200 bucks. can i do this myself or do i need haas to do it ?


thanks for the help

[gar]

060519-1536 EST USA

CNChelp:

See if your instruction manual has something like this:

Find Offsets Display. Near the bottom of my page it says " Offsets may be sent and received with the RS2323 port. Refer to the "Data Input/Output" section for a description of how to do this."

Can I find Data Input/Output in the Index--- No.

In my instruction book go to 3.16 Part Program Input/Output.
Go down a ways, near bottom of next page in my manual, find paragraph
"Parameters, settings, offsets, and macro variables pages may also be sent individually by selecting the "LIST PROG" mode, selecting the desired display screen, and pushing the SEND key ....."

For example for settings you will get something like

%
(SETTINGS)
N000 V25352
N001 V0
N002 V0
N003 V0
N004 V1
N005 V1
N006 V0
N007 V1
N008 V0
N009 V0
.
.
.
N076 V1
N077 V0
%


For offsets

%
(TOOL OFFSET)
N000 V25043
N001 V-103730
N002 V-105950
N003 V-102000
N004 V-100050
N005 V-69250
N006 V-98870
N007 V-101780
N008 V-104720
.
.
.
N307 V0
N308 V0
%


Note if you have an appropriate receiving program you can send all these different pages to the same file, then sort them later if desired.

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[fordlover62]

Try this. Look in your program files. If you have a program with an exclamation mark in front of it this is a bad program. In order to fix this you must go setting 23 and change it to off. then go back to programs and delete all of them. THIS WILL DELETE ALL OF THE PROGRAMS IN THE MACHINE!!!!
YOU WILL LOSE THE PROGRAMS IN YOUR MACHINE!!!!! IF YOU CAN, DOWNLOAD THE ONES THAT DON'T HAVE AN EXCLAMATION MARK IN FRONT OF THEM. THIS CAN BE DONE IN THE EDIT MODE, F1, IO,SELECT PROGRAM,PRESS INSERT.... LOOK IN THE MANUAL FOR THIS PART.
GOOD LUCK