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What year tiger and what control?
Yes the matsuura is a more rigid machine, but if it's some old thing, might not be worth the headache.
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Hello All,
This is my first post to CNCzone and I just wanted to get a comparison of a 2001 Haas Minimill and a Matsuura Tiger MC-510vs. Our shop is ready to go to the next level for milling processes and looking for a good starter CNC.
My first impression was that the Matsuura would have superior rigidity as it has a larger table. I figure, bigger table/table travel, bigger ball screws and more rigid, no? Also, we have a machinist that we frequently sub jobs to who uses Matsuura and says its a good name. However I know Haas is very popular as well.
I would appreciate some insight from whoever has had experience on these machines!
What year tiger and what control?
Yes the matsuura is a more rigid machine, but if it's some old thing, might not be worth the headache.
The Matsuura is a 1991, however it is in incredible shape for its age.
With the risk of someone else grabbing it, here's the ebay link:
MUST SEE! MATSUURA TIGER MC-510VS CNC VERTICAL MACHINING CENTER - YASNAC CONTROL | eBay
Looks like a nice machine, and good thing it hasn't been repainted. The bt35 spindle may be harder to get tooling for. I'm not a fan of yasnac either. Since they got bought by seimens, service pretty much went away in a lot of areas.
Let me put it like this, I own a mini2. If I wasn't in the market for a much bigger machine, you'd be bidding against me.
That is a nice looking machine. Depending on the ending price, it may cost less and be larger with more tools. The BT35 is an issue, but with the lower initial cost it may not be a problem.
I'll watch it with you.
Mike
Haas VF-2, HA5C, Hardinge CHNC 1, BobCAD V23
This company has the tooling you'll need. Man I'm jealous. That control looks sweet! I'm too young to have used a control with that many knobs and toggle switches. It's almost beautiful when you stare at it long enough. Love that horizontal, analog spindle load meter. Bad a$$.
IMO down time is a killer. Just to frustrating when you are trying to get parts made. I (personally) wouldn't by a machine with a control that might have any issues at all. I just bought another Haas. I don't consider another machine for my work because I can almost always get things fixed in 2 days or less, often the same day - and the machines being down is very rare. Sometimes the tech support guy helps get things fixed at no or low cost.
It sold for under 10k! Did you win it?
Yasnac controls have very few issues really I havent seen any.Originally Posted by eaglemike
Ive had 8 machines both lathes and mills with yasnacs.
funny people talk about down time.
Ive been doing this for almost 30 years in 3 shops including my own, have a ton of buddies with shops and lots of machines, all brands. none of them have downtime its very rare to have down time, unless you have a operator that crashs machines.
I probly shouldnt have said anything cause I will more than likely jinx myself.
DOOHHHHHHH!!!!!!
I knocked on some wood for you to help out.
Programmed, set up, and ran a Matsuura Tiger in the '90s and ending in 2003. It was bought new and was over 10 yrs old by the time I left. Like others have said, the only down time was due to operator (sometimes me) error. Had to re-adjust the tool changer position mostly. If you stall out the machine it will sometimes move the orientation.
Great machine IMO.
Seemed more solid than our current VF-2ss. Didn't chatter as much. But it was also more expensive at the time (new). No chip conveyor on the one I used.
Tell us if you got the machine.
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