Matsura's are built to last and I see many old ones still. Haas, although they have a big following are not even close to being in the same class. The Matsura, even though it is a smaller taper will outcut the Haas. Haas uses duty cycles that are in the seconds to rate their drives and spindles. In the case of a new Machine a 20 Hp Haas will be a 7.5 HP Japanese spindle that conforms to JIS standards. The service guy will do stuff for free sometimes because he will become a needed friend that you will need often. You will get to like the control and you will fall into growing into New Haas machines, which will often give any competitors that don't use Haas a big competitive adavantage. I just watched a Tawianese machine that wan not even very good, out cut a Haas 2 to 1 in Stainless. I could only imagine what the difference would be in Japanese built. Haas machines are usually bought because they look good astectically, guys on the floor like the control, a feeling of security choosing a popular machine, and they can get the job done (slower but done). If you plan to grow based on your ability to make chips and produce accurate parts, you will be much better off with the Matsura.