What would you guys do? I'll be cutting probably 95% aluminum. The other portion will be 304ss. I can get the SS machine for mid-40's with a few options but no probes which I would really like. If I got a new machine, it would be stretching the budget so all I would get is an auger and probes. Also, don't like that there is no USB interface on the control of the SS. Just seems like a lot more machine for the money, but the couple drawbacks make me hesitant.
Both are good choices, can't go wrong with either. You can add USB and/or probing to almost any machine. Me personally, I would go for the SS and work towards upgrading the machine. The higher RPM would do really well in the aluminum.
I'm contemplating really stretching the budget and going for a new VF-2 with a gearbox and 10k spindle or an SS. I personally like the SS because it seems like you more or less get a free side mount. Oh decisions decisions.
Buy the 04 why stretch your budget, you can buy things as you need them if the budget isnt stretched.
I wont buy a new ss I wil and am planning on buying another one soon but it wont be a new one. Mainly due to the door interlock, and I am not 100% happy with mine( dont ge me wrong I like the machine but not enough to buy a newone). along with the price on something that I dont think is needed unless you need a big tax write off.
the probe is sweet if you do lots of one off's and prototype pcs, but for production its not needed as all.
I would look for a 08 or 09 instead of a 04 unless your getting a really good smoking deal.
For me the difference between used and new was dealing with repair issues. Even if you buy a good condition used machine you're still getting somebody else's secondhand problems, whatever they may be. It's definitely not a deal-breaker but it's certainly something to consider.
Though I completely agree about the stupid safety systems on the new machines. For that reason alone I refuse to buy robots new...
I had the same slight concerns about a used machine. I would like it to get up and making money as quickly as possible, and I think I may be willing to take the expense hit for that piece of mind. So I guess the bigger question now is, new VF-2 with a gearbox and 10k or a new VF-2SS?
I decided on a new VF-2 with a 10k, gear box, probes, and auger. I really wanted the side mount, but I just couldn't justify the $7k price tag right now. This is a big purchase for my one man business, so hopefully it will pay off!
I really wanted the side mount, but I just couldn't justify the $7k price tag right now. This is a big purchase for my one man business, so hopefully it will pay off!
That would be one point where you and I would differ. There are two features offered by Haas that IMO are a must have if you're in it for the long haul. Chip augers and Side Mount Tool Changer. My experience over the decades are the umbrella style robs you of table height. Crashing into tools hanging down will make you sad. Further, the umbrella style has a tendency to get chips up in there on the tool tapers which damage the tool holders and your spindle over time not to mention scrap parts. You will also find the tool change times greatly reduces with the SM style. If you do the numbers, you will earn the 7K back in the first year or two if you do enough tool change work. I would never own an umbrella style setup and I too am a small shop.
BTW, I have the 03 VF2SS, I wish all my machines were SS.
Does Haas not offer "option packages" anymore, where several options get bundled together at a considerable discount. They were doing that in 08 when I bought a new VF4. Depending on what you do as far as hole drilling you might think about TSC. If you are drilling any amount of deep holes its awesome.