ETL certification

[miljnor]

Does anyone know when HAAS got their certification and more importantly does a 1993 vf-2 have any certification from a testing laboratory?

GET THIS

the City I live in REQUIRES a certified machine if you want to operate in their city. I hear all of california is like this. Ive been in business now for 8.5 years and this is news to me.

The reason I ask is that we are moving machinery and are in process of getting permits and the inspecters say the machines need the stickers on them. What a biatch! I am trying to obtain them from HAAs but you know how buracracy's are.

[Al_The_Man]

What type of certification are you refering to? There is all kinds that refer to machinery and equipment, there is OSHWA there is often the State or Provincial local Electrical Service Suppy Company standard (Electrical code), UL, ISO and others.
Al.

[Geof]

All my machines dated 2000 and later have the ETL sticker, the 19965 machine does not so that answers one question for you, the 1993 machine predates the sticker. All the stickers are identical; they do not have a number that could be correlated with the machine serial number so this suggsets it is just a blanket approval Haas has not something applied to individual machines so you should be able to get a sticker for an older machine.

[miljnor]

HAAS told me that all of their machines date from january 22, 1993 are ETL certified so Now I have to wrangle a sticker from them.. That should be like pulling a tooth from a very P!ssed off tiger!

Hopefully that would work otherwise my somewhat anit-gov nefarious nature will kick in!

[Al_The_Man]

I must admit I had not heard of ETL before, the confusing thing is there are getting to be so many standards.
One ETL testing site quotes:
The regulatory foundation regarding certification from various NRTLs is identical. When a product bears ETL US-mark in the US, or an cETL-mark for Canada, its shows/proves exactly the same fulfilment of appropriate North American standard as the UL-mark or the CSA-mark.:Unquote:
Now what does that imply? That it is the same as UL or CSA?
Are they trying to create a standard that encompasses all standards?
I don't get it.
Al.

[miljnor]

I think they are all the same and that they are just different companies trying to make a buck.

[DEAN]

Thats silly. If all they need is sticker print one up yourself: google>images>etl

[steveg]

Al, UL and CSA license companies like ETL to do equivelant to
UL/CSA approvals . and infact UL and CSA have licensed each other
cUL and usCSA

[Kool Parts]

miljnor,
Damn..which Nazi city is this? Unbelievable
Gary

[miljnor]

Originally posted by Kool Parts Miljnor, Damn..Which Nazi city is this? Unbelievable Gary

[QUOTE]

Man am I glad I'm not the only one thinking that. Jezze I always though America was home of the brave land of the free.. I guess we should maybe rethink that free thing!

You guys wouldn't believe some of the crap we are going through just to move into a building. The UL (or equiv) listed device reg. is classic, because I am pretty sure that if you have a 1993 machine that’s been working 16hours a day for over 10years There is probably not going to be anything wrong with it and NO TEST (no matter what the testing houses tell you) is going to simulate real world testing. But I still got to have the pretty little sticker.

And I guess if you have a railing on a stairway that you use to hold on to as you ascend is really a hand rail because the city told me so. (Sounds like my wife ) Evedidently you have to have a handrail separate from the guardrail or it’s not a handrail!

I think we do away with all the regulations that are supposed to save the stupid people from hurting themselves and let Darwinism run its course!

I really am kind of pissed that they allow something to be sold that cant legally be used especially since you usually don't find out about the reg. until after you buy it and then the Gestapo city guys come in and tell you to get it stickered or get rid of it!

Just a little warning for all you who purchase harbor freight and other el cheapos, Hide them when there are inspectors around or you’ll be playing the same game we are with the fascist nazi pig government!

I think all government turn into Nazi style governments after awhile!

[steveg]

miljnor for what it's worth, a bit of perspective/info on what UL etc are
testing for.

for the most part they are not really testing anything, but are confirming
that your machine/device has been assembled using sound electrical
engineering principles.Wire sizes that are appropriate to the currents
being carried, correctly rated overcurrent devices,proper short circuit
protection,correct grounding of motors, and other stuff like that.

Another thing that the Electrical Utility DEMANDS is that the the machine
presents a correct electrical load to their service (power factor,balanced
3phase load ,AL can explain this I'm mostly a mechanical guy)

One of the many things that I did working while working for a machine tool
dealer here in Canada was getting the Machines inspected and approved
(CSA or provincial).

I once was at a customer were the inspector was approving my machine
as well as another (different supplier thank goodness) he noticed that
the wiring was not UL or CSA approved, he cut a piece of the insulation
off of the wire ,applied flame, removed flame, the insulation kept burning!
if the wire was UL/CSA it would have stopped burning the instant the
flame was removed.
Imagine if you would, your entire electrical cabinet,drives,contactors ,everything on fire.

Like I said for what its worth

[carlnpa]

I'm still curious as to what city plays this game?