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    I know this is a pretty wide range but I'm looking to buy a vf2 or vf3 in this range and I'm looking for some input on controllers, as well as the machine itself. I'm going to be running fixture plates with the whole table full of parts, 3D Adaptive, contour etc tool paths (long pieces of code). I'm wondering if there are some years in this range that have better/different features our if newer is just better and I should best buy the newest machine I can afford. This will be my first real machine, my first used machine, I have a couple Bridgeports and a coupe Tormachs, I'm just outgrowing them. I have been coming to the conclusion that an older machine will be just fine but I'm concerned with the older controllers abilities. Any info is greatly appreciated.

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    just a heads up,, the haas controls made before 2007 are no longer supported ,,, its no longer a cheap $1,200 simple board swap when your control goes out its now a $12,000 retrofit to get the machine back running ,,, I would not even look at the haas machines older than 2007 unless your paying scrap price on them ... if you want a cheap easy to fix machine look at the fadal mills .... the older fadal 15 and 15xt machines with the 88hs control are nice machines ,,, I have two of them and well there not as fast as the new machines there just as fast as the older haas machines your asking about and you can get parts for them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by D.D.Machine View Post
    just a heads up,, the haas controls made before 2007 are no longer supported ,,, its no longer a cheap $1,200 simple board swap when your control goes out its now a $12,000 retrofit to get the machine back running ,,, I would not even look at the haas machines older than 2007 unless your paying scrap price on them ... if you want a cheap easy to fix machine look at the fadal mills .... the older fadal 15 and 15xt machines with the 88hs control are nice machines ,,, I have two of them and well there not as fast as the new machines there just as fast as the older haas machines your asking about and you can get parts for them.
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    Default Re: Preferred Controllers 1990 to 07

    I'd look for something with at least brushless servos, and probably vector drive. If you can afford it, I'd go with a coldfire II, but again, sometimes its better to buy a machine you can afford and upgrade by job success rather than borrow from a bank/whoever.

    I too have heard all about the board issue, but haven't heard yet of any one scrapping their machine.



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    Quote Originally Posted by erikfriesen View Post
    ... I too have heard all about the board issue, but haven't heard yet of any one scrapping their machine.
    I don't know who would. Our 2007 SL-10 has been paid off for almost 5 years now. Given the choice between paying $12K to fix an old machine that is still mechanically sound and produces good, tight tolerance parts, OR paying another $85K to replace it, I am going to choose the $12K solution anytime. The only reason to replace the machine would be to get a new feature we don't have, like a sub-spindle or live tooling. We currently have a 1996 Citizen swiss screw machine that we dumped almost $25K into over the course of a year, replacing and/or repairing servo drives. That $25K was far less expensive than buying a new swiss at $250K. And the machine still runs great parts!



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    Default Re: Preferred Controllers 1990 to 07

    Gizmo
    I get that its worth fixing the machine if its smart money wise to do it ,, but why buy a machine you know you cant get the parts for when for little to no more money you can get the same machine but get parts for? The guy was asking for some input on the controls and I think giving him a heads up that the coldfire I control is no longer supported is some good info.



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    Default Re: Preferred Controllers 1990 to 07

    Sorry D.D. if that's how it came off. That certainly wasn't my intent. By all means, if you can buy a newer machine with internals that are still supported, do it! I was mainly replying to Erik above. I don't know of anyone that would scrap a machine over a control board unless the rest of the machine was junk. Good hunting!



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    Default Re: Preferred Controllers 1990 to 07

    I totally agree guys, and I really appreciate your input. I'm trying to learn as much as I can before I decide on a machine. I bought two little Tormach mills brand new, don't laugh, I know, I spent as much as I'm looking to spend now in a real, old mill, at her time I needed the reliability and I didn't have the balls to dive into something that didn't have a warranty. The Tormach mills have been great, but I'm making a lot more parts now so I need something with some speed and hp.
    I'm happy to find out, well maybe that's worded incorrectly, that pre 07 Haas controllers are no longer supported, leaving a retrofit as the only real fix for a controller problem. This is the kind of thing I'm getting to figure out. To me, I think, if I can't get parts for it, it's of the table. If that's the car and I have to go to a 08 or newer vf3, I well probably be in search of a Fadal. That being said, I'm still trying to figure out what is hot and what's not in the world of older Fadal mills... 4020 is what I'm looking at mostly.



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    Well done D.D.Machine! You may have just cost this gentleman a lot of money and heartache.

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    Default Re: Preferred Controllers 1990 to 07

    Quote Originally Posted by Machineit View Post
    Well done D.D.Machine! You may have just cost this gentleman a lot of money and heartache.
    What do you mean? I think we're on the same page, close to it maybe. I'm looking for something older, something I can get parts for, absolutely. I'm thinking I can spend under 25k probably a bit less, and get something that's actually a great machine, VF2-3, Fadal4020 are the lead candidates in my mind so far, just trying to find out the best options in the price range, serviceability being one of the primary concerns. I'd love to hear what you think.



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    Default Re: Preferred Controllers 1990 to 07

    Seeing how the original post was primarily about the control, it's perfectly relevant to point out that older controls are no longer supported. That being said, it does NOT necessarily mean you shouldn't buy an older machine. The control is only one factor. Given the choice between a very low hour 2005 machine and a 2010 machine that has been running 24/7 since it can out of the factory, I would probably take the 2005. Sure the control *could* die at some point but that doesn't mean it's likely to just because it's no longer supported. When buying any piece of used equipment you have to figure in the potential cost of repair parts and what impact the down time could have on the business. That's just good planning. Figure out what you're most comfortable with and make the best decision you can based on the information you have. If an older machine will get you a quicker ROI then it might be worth it. But if you're more comfortable having better parts availability and can wait longer for a ROI, get a newer machine. There are no wrong answers here.


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    Default Re: Preferred Controllers 1990 to 07

    Anyone with experience with multiple 95-05 controllers? What I'm really after is figuring out the pros and cons of various controllers, should I just get the newest one I can afford or are there some reasons I may prefer an older controller, like 98ish, over a 05 year controller.

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