required tool list

[DIFF OVER]

sorry if this is somewhere else. not sure if it is ok here. there has been so much debate at work this month about required tools that each employee should own, and supply. i was hoping to get others feedback. please list tools as you see fit. thank you very much in advance.

[TOTALLYRC]

Originally Posted by DIFF OVER sorry if this is somewhere else. not sure if it is ok here. there has been so much debate at work this month about required tools that each employee should own, and supply. i was hoping to get others feedback. please list tools as you see fit. thank you very much in advance.

A little more specificity would help.
Tools for build a space shuttle or tools for doing concrete work?

Since this is a CNC forum, I would guess machinists tools. Manual or CNC machinist?

Mike

[DIFF OVER]

ok. lets see. i feel that in machining, manual or cnc, most shops are a supply your own tools. i am not referring to the guy that has the biggest kenneday either. most shops that i hear about have a basic tool list and to work there you need to have those items. i am curious what these tool lists consist of. i feel that the shop should supply FINIAL inspection equipment. but a rolling toolbox, any brand is a good start. allen wrench set in metric and std, hammers, mallets, screwdrivers, adj wrenches, deburr tools, mirror, pliers, vice grips. i do thing that you should own a tape measure, 6 inch caliper and a 0-1 mic. mag base and test indicator, basics to aet up a machine.

i am not asking anyone to own rock block, pins, dial bore gages, etc. just basics. my question is, if you are a manager, what do you ask your people to supply, if you are a set up guy, what are you asked to supply. i am looking for a feel in todays machining mindset. thanks.

[TOTALLYRC]

Originally Posted by DIFF OVER ok. lets see. i feel that in machining, manual or cnc, most shops are a supply your own tools. i am not referring to the guy that has the biggest kenneday either. most shops that i hear about have a basic tool list and to work there you need to have those items. i am curious what these tool lists consist of. i feel that the shop should supply FINIAL inspection equipment. but a rolling toolbox, any brand is a good start. allen wrench set in metric and std, hammers, mallets, screwdrivers, adj wrenches, deburr tools, mirror, pliers, vice grips. i do thing that you should own a tape measure, 6 inch caliper and a 0-1 mic. mag base and test indicator, basics to aet up a machine. i am not asking anyone to own rock block, pins, dial bore gages, etc. just basics. my question is, if you are a manager, what do you ask your people to supply, if you are a set up guy, what are you asked to supply. i am looking for a feel in todays machining mindset. thanks.

I am the manger, setup guy and head bottle washer in my one man shop.

Your list looks pretty good. The only thing that I would always assume that the shop would provide is consumables, including deburring tool tips.
Basic mics and hand tools are the responsibility of the machinist, just like they are the responsibility of the mechanic in an auto shop.

Of course their are always the owner who will try to get the guys to provide everything.

There are always the workers who will abuse this so it goes both ways.

I have yet personally to work for a boss who was unreasonable in his demands of what I should supply. They are more likely to be unreasonable in the pay scale, which results in my finding another job.

Mike

[Shotout]

Originally Posted by DIFF OVER ok. lets see. i feel that in machining, manual or cnc, most shops are a supply your own tools. i am not referring to the guy that has the biggest kenneday either. most shops that i hear about have a basic tool list and to work there you need to have those items. i am curious what these tool lists consist of. i feel that the shop should supply FINIAL inspection equipment. but a rolling toolbox, any brand is a good start. allen wrench set in metric and std, hammers, mallets, screwdrivers, adj wrenches, deburr tools, mirror, pliers, vice grips. i do thing that you should own a tape measure, 6 inch caliper and a 0-1 mic. mag base and test indicator, basics to aet up a machine. i am not asking anyone to own rock block, pins, dial bore gages, etc. just basics. my question is, if you are a manager, what do you ask your people to supply, if you are a set up guy, what are you asked to supply. i am looking for a feel in todays machining mindset. thanks.

Our shop is 5 S so no outside tools are suppose to come in. Each station has a butcher block topped work bench with a tool box as part of that and each is stocked the same. You could easily adapt this into a basic tool list. These are tools that our shop found that need to be duplicated at each machine.
Our basic tool list for each station.
3/8 drive and allen head socket sets for it, standard and metric
2in height setting gage electronic type
Allen wrench sets standard and metric
scale, 6in 4R
protractor
combination square set
scribe
center punches
deburring tools (lolipop mills in holders, two triangular blades, one B10 blade, two sizes of counter sink style and holders for each)
Honing stone sets
Pocket Handbook
T handle allen wrenches standard and metric
plier set
vise grip set
kant twist clamp set
c-clamp sets
Inter-rapid vertical dial indicator
0-1 mic
0-1 tri mic
0-1 step mic
mirror and magnet set
0-8 calipers
file sets
screw driver sets
small die setter bar
layout fluid
90deg die grinder with different sized pad backs
straight die grinder with different sized arbors for sanding drums etc
pneumatic orbital sander
transfer punches
transfer screws
pin punches
6' tape measure
Radius gage set
Thread gage sets
feeler gage set
hammer
dead blow mallet
adjustable wrench
3/4 and 7/8 combination wrench
1-2-3 block set
layout square set
parallel sets
parallel keepers
mag base and 0-1 dial indicator
er-32 wrench
er-20 wrench for the slotted nuts
er-16 wrench for the slotted nuts
tool holder tightening vise for cat 40 tool holders mounted to bench
I'm probably forgetting several items but off the top of my head this is pretty close to complete

All other tools are shop tools that are stored in bin locations or tools that have to be checked out of QA

The pic below shows a VMC work station.

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thanks.

2 Okuma OSP P200M MC-V 4020's.

[dertsap]

most times I don't trust company measuring tools unless I've fully calibrated and fully tested them for accuracy
I think it's in a machinists best interest to have their own basic measuring tools at the very least , it's been my experience that every so often the guy who miss treats and abuses company tooling will come along and screws up the tooling . the company should supply calibrate and track the more expensive and special tooling that may be necessary or make sure that the people using them are competent to calibrate and maintain the tooling properly . ultimately our personal reputations are riding on producing good parts and we need to be confident in the tooling that we are working with . We tend to get a feel for our tools and we get used to any sensitivity or quirkiness , plus we will treat them better so accuracy and consistent measurements shouldn't be an issue . As time goes on then we can expand our toolboxes and add new and or better tooling to assist us in doing our job properly .

[muddobber76]

This to me can depend heavily on what type of work is performed and what the end product is.

I work for a large aerospace/defense contractor. We manufacture/engineer/reverse engineer/overhaul, everything from weapon platforms to critical flight control systems. We are ISO 9000AS bla bla bla, so every level of inspection is very tightly controlled and documented. It is not uncommon for many or most of our guys including myself to have over 10k worth of personal tooling. Mind you I am talking about First Class Machinist/engineers that have accumulated these tools over the span of our careers.

I often setup,program,run, cnc mill/turn machines. These machines require a vast array of tooling. At the least, and to be proficient in our line of work you need a full and complete set of hand tools;

Hammers- ballpeen,deadblow,BFH
Screwdrivers- any and all-miniture precision,slotted,phillips,right angle,torx 4-30,electrical insulated
Allen wrenches- full sets inch/metric T-handle and right angle
Ratchets & Sockets- full sets inch/metric
Open/Boxed end wrenches- full sets inch/metric
Torque wrenches- foot and inch pounds
OD mics- inch 0-12
Dial indicators- .001 grad
Dial Test indicators- .0001/.00005 grad.
Indicator Stands, attachments, points etc.
Calipers- 0-6", 0-12"
Depth mics- 0-12"
Dial Bore gages- 0-6" min.
Stick mics- 0-12"
Thread mics,wires,triangles etc.
Files- precision,rough cut,diamond,thread, etc
123, 246 blocks
Angle gauges
Radius gauges
Feeler gauges
Angle/Sine plates,gauges etc
Parralells
Machinist Jacks
Magnifying Loupe with recticles

I can go on and on. For me I draw the line at big ticket items such as ID mics. A full set of those is like 15k. My company lets us purchase what we want and will do a payroll deduct. This is very convenient, also we get great discounts as a large volume and goverment end user from vendors such as MSC. As well, we also have a replace and repair system for any broken or damaged personal tools so you pretty much only buy a tool once.

All cosummables should be purchased by the company and should be a cost burden on each work order. This would include things like carbide, tool holders, rags, dykem, lubricants, emery cloth, air conditioning, hand soap and ass wipes.

[Shotout]

Originally Posted by DIFF OVER thanks. 2 Okuma OSP P200M MC-V 4020's.

In that picture yes. Plus 8 other machines with the same benches. The conventional machines have the same basic tools plus tools more applicable to those machines, more setup tooling mostly. The horizontal we just installed will need a second bench set up the same, right now it only has one.

Our company decided to provide all tools for a few different reasons, although personally I wish I had my box there. As dertsap said I know my tools are calibrated correctly and since I don't loan precision tools they stay that way. Plus about an 8K investment sitting in the house not being used. As is we have to check them out from QA and they have to be checked back in.

You can adapt the list to your shop and make it a recommended tool list for your machinists to purchase. As was mentioned payroll deduction plans are the way to go when you require a specified tool list.

[roundman]

The job shop I work in is small and for some time since I started there they did not have much and so someone like me who has tools have them it seems for everyone in the shop.
1 0-6 inch mics
0-1 anvil mics
6 inch calipers
8 inch digital calipers qty 2
12 calipers qty-3
telescope guages
radius gage set
1-2-3 blocks 4 sets/imports
hole gages
indical
indicol
interapid test indicator
tenths b&S indicator
magnetic base & 1" and 2" indicators
Tap handles
Parralell set
angle set
combination square set
Id mics to 9 inches

These are just some things I could not do without and I find the list grew from basic dial calipers and 0-3 inch mics. I usually would order something each month and pay my employer baqck for stuff which is how I accumulate things. The other way is to buy stuff when someone decides to leave the trade on a rare occasion. I find that if the shop has something like 12 inch digital calipers and someone is currently using them then there are problems that arise if I do not have my own set. If I have my own tools I can use them and not rely on whether the shops tool is in use or not. Currently I am ordering three sets of gage pins - (minus) from .011 to 1/2 inch. I plan to make or buy pin holders to help me keep track of the ones in use.

One guy in our shop who refuses to bring his toolbox in always uses the shops stuff and when inspection needs it they must go get tools on occasion from this guy. He borrows tools from whoever he can and since he has tools supposedly at home it is annoying he does not bring them. I notice he also uses other people's bowls to eat soup with in addition to forks. He will hook up your personal fan when it is hot for his personal use without asking when he could walk over and get one of the shop's fans. If I am not careful and watch him he will pick up c clamps or kant twist clamps that are my personal clamps and use them and then if he does return it he puts it in with the shop's clamps! I have spoken to him about all this and he is a lot better but he seems to feel everyone elses stuff is his. Just a minor rant....

[TOTALLYRC]

Originally Posted by roundman The job shop I work in is small and for some time since I started there they did not have much and so someone like me who has tools have them it seems for everyone in the shop. 1 0-6 inch mics 0-1 anvil mics 6 inch calipers 8 inch digital calipers qty 2 12 calipers qty-3 telescope guages radius gage set 1-2-3 blocks 4 sets/imports hole gages indical indicol interapid test indicator tenths b&S indicator magnetic base & 1" and 2" indicators Tap handles Parralell set angle set combination square set Id mics to 9 inches These are just some things I could not do without and I find the list grew from basic dial calipers and 0-3 inch mics. I usually would order something each month and pay my employer baqck for stuff which is how I accumulate things. The other way is to buy stuff when someone decides to leave the trade on a rare occasion. I find that if the shop has something like 12 inch digital calipers and someone is currently using them then there are problems that arise if I do not have my own set. If I have my own tools I can use them and not rely on whether the shops tool is in use or not. Currently I am ordering three sets of gage pins - (minus) from .011 to 1/2 inch. I plan to make or buy pin holders to help me keep track of the ones in use. One guy in our shop who refuses to bring his toolbox in always uses the shops stuff and when inspection needs it they must go get tools on occasion from this guy. He borrows tools from whoever he can and since he has tools supposedly at home it is annoying he does not bring them. I notice he also uses other people's bowls to eat soup with in addition to forks. He will hook up your personal fan when it is hot for his personal use without asking when he could walk over and get one of the shop's fans. If I am not careful and watch him he will pick up c clamps or kant twist clamps that are my personal clamps and use them and then if he does return it he puts it in with the shop's clamps! I have spoken to him about all this and he is a lot better but he seems to feel everyone elses stuff is his. Just a minor rant....

It looks to me like the boss need to get a set of and take this guy to task.


Personally, if he borrowed my tools without permission there would be hell to pay. I will gladly let anyone I work with borrow my tools if they take care of them better than there own and if they ask. Not asking is bad Karma and just wrong.

Mike