CNCzone.com-The Largest Machinist Community on the net!



Home Page Mark Forums Read Today's Posts My Replies Classifieds Reviews Photo Gallery Web Links Share Files Advertise With Us Ad List
Go Back   CNCzone.com-The Largest Machinist Community on the net! > MetalWorking > General Metalwork Discussion


General Metalwork Discussion Discuss everything relating to metal work.


This forum is sponsored by:

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1   Ban this user!
Old 04-06-2009, 02:39 PM
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: USA
Posts: 40
CJdave is on a distinguished road
Carbide end mill in steel

Ok, I will admit that I have next to no machine background. Everything I learned was from here or watching and listening, or just trying it myself. but I have ben doing that for the past 3 years.

So Here's the problem, I can't get carbide end mills to last in steel. Right now I have a part I am trying to make and I just can't seem to get the em's to last. Material is 1045, 1.625 dia round stock. I need to mill a flat on the end of the stock to half the dia and 1" back. I am starting with a 4fl carbide rougher (uncoated) and finishing with a 4fl carbide uncoated finisher. I started at around 480sfm and .002 per tooth at .050 deep flood coolant. That chipped the edge of the tooth. so I stepped back and slowed down a little, 275 sfm and .0015 per tooth, still sounds bad, so I thought I had too much steppover, and reduced to .120, and upped the doc to .12. Still sounds bad...
Can someone please enlighten me on where I should start with speed, feed, and doc? What about coolant?
Thanks
Oh, machine is a Millport bed mill 5hp spindle with a centroid control.
Tweet this Post!Share on Facebook
Reply With Quote

  #2   Ban this user!
Old 04-06-2009, 10:43 PM
Konrad's Avatar  
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Edmonton Canada
Posts: 191
Konrad is on a distinguished road

I'm not a carbide lover in something like this,.. take a good 1 1/8 or 1 1/4" rougher HSS, full depth one pass,...100 pieces should be possible, carbide endmill has a hard time to beat this.

Konrad
Tweet this Post!Share on Facebook
Reply With Quote

  #3  
Old 04-06-2009, 11:14 PM
HuFlungDung's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 4,823
HuFlungDung is on a distinguished road

Flood coolant is probably not a good idea for the roughing stage, as there is enough heat generated in the cut zone that the carbide may just crack, losing your keen edge.

Also, it sounds as though you are not getting much benefit from using the rougher at those shallow depths. They are designed to be run at perhaps 1 diameter deep or so. You might be using a 1/2" diameter tool. I'd pick TiALN coated for milling steel, never uncoated because built up edge can also rob your tool of its edge life.

You should have enough HP to remove 1.25 cubic inches per minute. So adjust your feed to accomplish that, if the machine is sturdy enough to handle it. Run at maybe 350SFM if you want to be conservative and extend the tool life. Rough at almost full depth so that you can take advantage of the helical flute, and try cutting at 60% stepover of tool diameter. Feedrate perhaps 30ipm or more if your machine doesn't bog down. Use an air blast to clear the chips from the cut zone. This chip clearing action needs excellent reliability, you don't want to ever hear crunching sounds coming from the cut zone as chips get recut.

If the machine is literally shaking itself to bits, maybe you need to ensure that your setup is rigid (not a vise sitting on an indexing baseplate). Or perhaps the spindle bearings are getting old and tired, and have lost preload a little bit, resulting in a looser than optimal spindle.

I have not roughed a lot in open situations like yours with roughing mills. I use Iscar inserted endmills. A 3/4" endmill makes a pretty good rough cutter. What you lose in diameter you make up for in rpms. There is always a tradeoff, of course, but you can run the 3/4" at 2500 rpm and 50 or more ipm and they will last for many cubic inches of material removal. C1045 isn't even tough

Inserts for steel cutting come honed, meaning the edge is a little bit rounded. This means the tool is not so free cutting but also a little bit more durable. The tip radius on the corner of the insert is also a bit more generous than solid carbide mills, and this keeps the tool in cutting condition for a longer time. These tools will hammer a bit more than a solid carbide rougher.
__________________
First you get good, then you get fast. Then grouchiness sets in.

(Note: The opinions expressed in this post are my own and are not necessarily those of CNCzone and its management)
Tweet this Post!Share on Facebook
Reply With Quote

Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Carbide VS Steel guide bush EvansMachine CNC Swiss Screw Machines 8 12-07-2008 10:25 PM
Problem- Cutting steel on lathe with carbide insert. Not smooth. alexccmeister General Metalwork Discussion 18 12-04-2008 09:13 PM
Need Help!- 1/16 carbide endmill in 316 Stainless Steel cutting edge General Metalwork Discussion 5 09-28-2008 03:33 AM
Laser engraving of steel and solid carbide JERRIMY Laser Engraving & Cutting Machines 0 02-21-2008 01:03 PM
Ripper cutters Carbide or Metallurgy steel?? kevh General Metalwork Discussion 0 11-10-2007 05:10 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:10 AM.





Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO
Template-Modifications by TMS

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353