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When it comes to custom cars and especially motorcycles, is CNC cheating?
I don't want to sound like an old, bitter manual machinist who won't accept change, but when I see a custom car or bike with parts that seem like nothing but a display of CNC capability, it leaves me cold.
I watch American Chopper, and OCC turns out some fantastic bikes...but some of the CNC parts on the bikes don't do a thing for me. The sheet metal work on the tanks made from scratch are cool, but...
I don't know if I'm even expressing what I'm trying to say the right way...but I look at some of the parts and think, "big deal, you've got a CNC machine and a neat software program, let's see you do it with a manual Bridgeport, lathe and hand tools."
It's like a kid who can solve a math problem using a calculator versus a kid who can do it with a pencil and paper, if you know what I mean.
No, it is not just you, I am a hobbiest wook worker, and I have built some beautiful boxes with my cnc machine, but I take my pride in the fact that I built the machine that "built" the box. When I made my Morris style chair, my CNC machine sat dormant, I really like my chair, and am proud to say "I" built that
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Will Mikey ever call his daddy back , does paul Jr ever get any respect from his father, will SR ever get a clue.
I've never seen the show lol
If they had the skill to do it by hand would they?
Sorry about this all you Chopper guys but....
I think those choppers are really naff,I mean the guys that ride em look like monkeys with their hands on the high handlebars.
Take a look at some vids of oragutans and tell me theres a difference. lol
If you watched AC you will find its about getting a bike knocked up in half the time it would to manually make the parts they do.It's like a kid who can solve a math problem using a calculator versus a kid who can do it with a pencil and paper, if you know what I mean.
I think on things like custom bikes that someone is paying for your skill to make is cheating. From a DIY point of view, i think cnc is not cheating at all if you built the machine.
They're called ape hangersOriginally Posted by HorridHenry
Sorry about this all you Chopper guys but....
I think those choppers are really naff,I mean the guys that ride em look like monkeys with their hands on the high handlebars.
Take a look at some vids of oragutans and tell me theres a difference. lol
No, it is not cheating.
Artistic expression can use a plurality of tools.
A musical piece done by a MOOG synthesizer can be enjoyed as much as a classical symphony. Both are different and neither one is cheating.
I would consider it "cheating" if the chopper had CNC parts but it was claimed to be done by hand.
As a very crusty old machinist who started in a shop at 13 (not by choice), some 50 years ago... I've run manual machines making prototypes, short-run production, tooling, repairs and modifications....
Programmed my 1st NC in 1975, did a CNC conversion in '98, finally (and cheerfully) transitioned to 3 axis lathe and 5 axis mill, and Mastercam a few years later....
Cheating??? How can you call learning an entire new skill set to compliment the skills acquired over years of experience cheating?
Spending 40 hours to program a part, design and built the fixturing, set up the machine, proof the program and fine tune it, spend 20 hours running the part and another 5 hours hand finishing it......as compared to 200 hours on a manual machine .... that's cheating?
Trading countless hours of back breaking bent over sanding, polishing, fitting, remeasuring over a lathe traded for a CNC ... where the power company turns the handles for me???
That's not cheating, it's a blessing. I take every bit as much pride in my CNC parts as I do the manual. For those that like to do it the old fashioned way, you're welcome to enjoy your craft as you please.
... and ride your horse to work, too.
Guys its about phases since the dawn of time,I mean the first lathe was 1300BC so its a case of past being lost to the future where machines will make men idle and drunk everyday.
No.
just some different skill sets. cad cam is not that easy to learn. Still need to know tooling and set up. Trying to pull off a wheel set like they make would take 20X longer, if even possible. I'm both, manual and CNC. (manual first).
Is using Microsoft Word cheating? Should we still be using manual typewriters? Just evolution of the trade.
I understand the question.
Is manual milling cheating when a file and hack saw will do the job? Its a tool best used to suite a need. If I have to drill and tap a bracket really fast, then I am not going to even turn the cnc mill on, I will run to the drill press or manual mill. Knock it out. If I need 3d contours cut or a complex bolt pattern ect, I fire up the cnc and sit down with cad/cam.
Face it, there are just certain things that a CNC will do that a manual machinist cannot.
It boils down to the age old saying...... "the right tool for the job"
Drilling 380 holes down the length of a 9 foot pipe ever 15 degrees can in fact be done on a manual mill. It is more EFFICIENT to let the CNC hog at the holes
As we get older we begin to fight the technological change. Its just the way it is, we are set into doing it "THIS" way, we know "HOW" to do it this way. The "NEW" way is dumb..........
CNC actually requires alot more knowledge about the machining precess then alot of people know. You cannot FEEL the cut. You have to rely on the programming to get feeds and speed right ect.
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