If you got 100K US and wanted to start a CNC business what you'll do?

[kanankeban]

Hi guys...
Actually thats my situation right now!
I have a 100K budget. I plan to do the invesment of my life, want to throw 50 cash and other 50 financed. I could throw the 100 cash, but want to have 50 in hand if I need something extra.
My CNC knowledge comes to a CNC lathe, CNC mill and MasterCAM course. Im very knowledgeable in several 2D and 3D CAD software, besides computers, some basic knowledge in manual lathes and mills.
By profesion I am an Architect with a Master Degree in Architectural Design...But my dream is to have a CNC Business, one for bringing to life my ideas, and in the way making a buck, starting of course with a small scale business.
I seen benchtop options, used entry level machines (Daewoo, Haas), used high End Machines (Mazak, Mori, Okuma) and new ones...The new ones get me to Haas and Daewoo only...So Im stock in the dilema...
Please help me out here guys...I know there are lot of friends around here that have gone to the same nightmare...Any help and advise is greatly appreciated...
Thank you...
Hector

[nofx]

I have no previos experience expect for 2 years in college for mechincal engineering tech and 8 years as a cook but from what i have been able to read about. Large machining is the way to go from what my teachers have told me. Basically because shipping prices to asia on anything over a certain weight becomes not econimically viable. From my city of 150k people there is only one shop with the equipment to do large machining, they do quite good for themselfs.
The lastest Wired has a good artical on what you want to do basically. I beleive you have to find design for a product you want to produce and find the tools to produce that. Then thinking of a laundry list of machines that most shops have.
My idea is that while I'm finishing my redseal in machining. I will find good deals on older machine equipment and retro fit. Because if the steel has been resonably taken care motor and electronics can be replaced with newer more modern controllers.
but hey maybe ur looking for what equipment to get and i only have experience on old iron.

[mrainey]

Remember that the machine cost is just the beginning. You'll likely need to spend substantial sums on cutting tools, fixturing, inspection equipment, maintenance and repair, and consumables.

[Geof]

It might sound a bit discouraging but I think you have only half the money you need to start something going with reliable commercial scale machines. You have no background in machinery so it would be a risk buying used as they can nickel and dime you to death if you cannot do repairs/rebuilds yourself. This leaves you faced with buying new and a combination such as a Haas VF2 mill and TL2 lathe would need all of your $100,000; any other brand of machine is going to be the same or more expensive. Then as mrainey mentions you need to have the resources to getting tooling and all those other things he mentions. If you had several years experience working on machines and had contacts in the business then 100k would be plenty to buy two machines and start a sideline business while keeping your day job, and over a period of two or three years with a lot of luck and hard work, develop this into a fulltime, viable independent business.

[Fegenbush]

I don't have anything to say about this that hasn't been said here:

http://cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96369

$100k would be enough if you had a start on your machines (and they were paid for) and you had significant quoting and business operations experience. Since you mentioned that you would be starting from scratch and have less than extensive experience, I would go with $250k minimum to quit your day job.

[ViperTX]

Hector,

Before you jump into the fire. Speak with some other architects about stuff that they need for a project, but can't seem to find the right supplier.

Take a look at turningaround.org and you'll see how one person started their business.

Good luck,

Paul

[CNCRim]

$100K seem alot but I have a friend start CNC business 5 years about and they spent $150K and they thought $50K over budget is that's it but they are end up spent close to $250K. That's 2cnc Lathes 1 cnc Mill, it's all Haas.

[stevespo]

I'm not sure the poster said what he intends to make with his machines. It's seems like that would influence the decision on what to buy in a huge way. If the end goal is cutting foam and doing architectural models, then $100K would probably set him up nicely. Likewise for cutting plywood cabinets, signs, etc.

He does mention VMCs so perhaps that is where he intends to go, but it seems to me that he could start with something smaller (benchtop, etc), gain experience on the side, and then develop it into a full-time business.

It strikes me that with an architectural background and strong CAD experience that there could be a niche for him in the CNC field that would fit in his budget. Starting a full-fledged machine shop? I don't know. Something else? Perhaps.

I've been having great luck cutting small scale models for designers and my investment is quite modest (DIY benchtop). True, it's not my full time job, but that isn't to say someone properly motivated couldn't make it happen and tool up over time.

Steve

[kanankeban]

Thanks all you guys for your input...great comments!
Well to clarify the situation...Ill explain a little more...Maybe the title is wrong...maybe is should say "I have 100K to throw in a CNC shop for me to do my things and in the way do some money if oportunities arraises", "what you´ll get with that money?"

1. I already have a place (warehouse) set with 6 stations, with 220v 3 phase current, 110V, compressed air, I own the place, so rent is no problem.
2. Im an architect, sometimes I do some design and construction and do some money there, but my income comes from some other place, I can dedicate 3 or 4 hours per day without affecting my income.
3. I do not intend to make money in first place with the machining business now...I can wait 2, 3 or more years...If some money goes in, it will be used to buy nicer or bigger machines to fit the warehouse.
4. There are some basic ideas on how to put to work the machines. These ideas are apart or can be done all together.
A. open a technical school, teaching, manual machining, cnc, welding, composites, and software ( I have a lot of experience in this) this school will be located in other place I have and can arrange for a series of small shops and teaching rooms, and labs.
B. Fabricate some machines I have in mind, one for the construction business (concrete grinding machine) and cnc routers and plasma tables for the mexican market.
C. Fabricating motorcycle racing parts and go-karts parts...from levers to rims...and why not a complete bike, with ducati motor and ohlins suspension...
Truly the last part I want make money from is from regular clients...If one or two come alone well Ill take care of them...but really they are the part of the business that conserns me less.
I told you guys im an architect...but I studied that because I like it and was the thing I knew less...before that I was very avid with computers and mechanics...and feel very confortable getting my hands and face with oil
Thanks again and keep the ideas coming please...

[Geof]

That puts a different picture on things; you are in a situation similar to a zone member going under the name TravisR100 (I think).

Maybe you should try and find him in the member's list and then find the threads he started; one of them was a very good analysis of starting up a shop much like you describe.

EDIT: I had the name wrong, TravisR100.

First link below takes you to all TravisR100's threads.

Second link takes you to his cost analysis.


http://www.cnczone.com/forums/search...archid=4878656

http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91787

[Teyber12]

I would invest it in the stock market instead. lot of very interesting stuff happening and in a couple years you could maybe double your investment... just something to think about.

[kanankeban]

Originally Posted by Teyber12 I would invest it in the stock market instead. lot of very interesting stuff happening and in a couple years you could maybe double your investment... just something to think about.

Risky business if you dont know what you are doing...Not that I know what Ill do with the cnc machines, but I know for sure that the mayor risk is a 10 year span is loosing 40% of the invesment, plus the opportunity of investing that money, so if you go realistic, 100k lets say 10% anual per ten year will give you 260K - 60K ill get back from the machines if i sold them after that period that gives 200K/10/12=1600 dlls per month is the cost, look pretty ugly if you see it realistic. This is just rough math...but in the calculations something is not included...THE FUN TO DO IT!, so you could seat with a beer and wait, or get your hands working and have some fun...