CNCzone.com-The Largest Machinist Community on the net!



Home Page Mark Forums Read Today's Posts My Replies Classifieds Reviews Photo Gallery Web Links Share Files Advertise With Us Ad List
Go Back   CNCzone.com-The Largest Machinist Community on the net! > MetalWorking Machines > General Metal Working Machines


General Metal Working Machines General discussions of all metal working machines from drill presses to band-saws.


This forum is sponsored by:

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #13   Ban this user!
Old 07-27-2004, 01:02 PM
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: UK
Posts: 1,080
kong is on a distinguished road

Thanks metlmuncher, I am running between 1350 and 800 rpm for my cuts, the lathe has speeds from 150 - 1800 rpm. My feed speed is around 100 - 150 mm/min, although I can go faster, off the top of my head, to around 1000mm/min. The reason I switched from a boring motion to facing was due to the incredible amount of swarf wrapping around the bar inside the hole - which prevented a clean cut, and stopped the coolant reaching the tip. I figured the facing motion would allow the swarf to clear itself, without a lot of thought (and experience) to the stresses on the bar itself.
I would appreciate some pointers as to feeds and spindle speeds, but like I said, I will also try some air blasts to clear the chips.
__________________
(Note: The opinions expressed in this post are my own and are not necessarily those of CNCzone and its management)
Reply With Quote

  #14   Ban this user!
Old 07-28-2004, 05:49 PM
Zep Zep is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 8
Zep is on a distinguished road
boring problems

blind hole boring can always be a problem. Looking at your part I'd figure the biggest hurdle would be to rough it out. In that case I would step it out working in from the face. high rpm high feed (assuming setup is rigid) to break chips , lots of coolant to flush. Finishing high rpm again light cut .02 on dia .005 to .01 on face. insert style i would use a vnmg stle profiling insert with a large lead angle. Reason for this is, smearing is caused by chips being trapped between bar and work damaging surface. try to keep area directly around the bar clear of pinch points. This style insert works well for finishing with a small toolnose rad (.015); less prone to chatter . keep bars short as others have suggested .I have had good results using VNMG style inserts for finishing. Most suppliers will reccomend a grade/geometry to suit your needs
good luck
Reply With Quote

  #15   Ban this user!
Old 07-29-2004, 08:22 AM
RotarySMP's Avatar  
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Vienna, Austria
Posts: 1,048
RotarySMP is on a distinguished road

How many of these do you need to make? The easiest solution might be to put a dwell on each retract and remove the swarf from the tool tip with a hook.
__________________
Regards,
Mark
www.wrathall.com
Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
  #16   Ban this user!
Old 07-29-2004, 08:36 AM
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: UK
Posts: 1,080
kong is on a distinguished road

I have loads to make unfortunately, like a hundred or so. I have just got my car fixed (damn stupid thing) so I will have a go this afternoon, after a nice coffee
__________________
(Note: The opinions expressed in this post are my own and are not necessarily those of CNCzone and its management)
Reply With Quote

  #17   Ban this user!
Old 07-29-2004, 08:38 AM
RotarySMP's Avatar  
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Vienna, Austria
Posts: 1,048
RotarySMP is on a distinguished road

Is the alloy critical? How about changing to a leaded free machining Alloy?
__________________
Regards,
Mark
www.wrathall.com
Reply With Quote

  #18   Ban this user!
Old 07-29-2004, 08:46 AM
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: UK
Posts: 1,080
kong is on a distinguished road

Fairly critical, these will eventually become alloy wheels for small rc-cars, so I am using 6082 for it's strength, corrosion resistance and ability to be pollished easily. Also, there is not the range available in the UK as in the states, so I think I have a choice of about 3 alloys which are readily available! Anyhow, I have jusu re-programmed the part to use a higher feed, and a boring motion. Just gotta drink the coffee now!
__________________
(Note: The opinions expressed in this post are my own and are not necessarily those of CNCzone and its management)
Reply With Quote

  #19   Ban this user!
Old 07-29-2004, 08:55 AM
RotarySMP's Avatar  
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Vienna, Austria
Posts: 1,048
RotarySMP is on a distinguished road

I have been doing a lot of boring on my little cnc converted mini-lathe and tried a carbide insert bar with a thin carbide shaft, a larger diameter steel bar with a sharp HSS bit and a well used brazed carbide bar. I was really suprised that the brazed carbide bar gave by far the best surface finish and chatter resistance.

In your position I would try the variety of bars you have on hand. Not very scientific, but easier faster and cheaper than ordering new ones
__________________
Regards,
Mark
www.wrathall.com
Reply With Quote

  #20   Ban this user!
Old 07-29-2004, 09:47 AM
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: UK
Posts: 1,080
kong is on a distinguished road

HA! Got it.
I ran a faster feed, lowered the spindle speed, and took a shallower cut so as not to stall the lathe. Unfortunately, I never left enough of material for a decent finnish pass, so some of the roughing marks are still visible. There is also a tiny bit of chatter on the inner most radius, you can just make it out in the second picture.
I ran
Spindle - 550
Feed - 300mm/min
DOC - 0.25mm
Hopefully I can take a bigger cut, and up the feed a bit more, since the motor wasn't struggling at all (stop laughing all you guys with 20HP lathes ).
The chips were different altogether. Some breaking up, and some a tighter curl, a bit thicker than the last lot. So a big thankyou to you guys
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCN0001.JPG‎
Views:	74
Size:	35.3 KB
ID:	2961   Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCN0004.JPG‎
Views:	61
Size:	31.6 KB
ID:	2962  
__________________
(Note: The opinions expressed in this post are my own and are not necessarily those of CNCzone and its management)
Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Chandler Duplex Boring Head glmoore General Metal Working Machines 5 05-30-2008 09:32 AM
Which boring bar? kong General Metal Working Machines 25 06-26-2004 05:56 PM
Accuracy problems i228208 General CAM Discussion 26 05-30-2004 01:31 PM
Haas G85 Boring Cycle (canned) DEAN Haas Mills 7 12-08-2003 10:12 AM
1/2 Boring Bar Machine1 Hard and High Speed Machining 7 10-09-2003 09:03 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:43 PM.





Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO
Template-Modifications by TMS

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361