Lets talk about BRUTE machines....WOW

[carbidecraters]

Anyone else have or have seen one of these puppies in action? Brutecnc.com has a listing of the models and the outfits that have bought them. these machines look SERIOUS!

Machine Travel
X Axis 31.4" 39.3" 47.2"
Y Axis 23.6" 23.6" 27.0"
Z Axis 23.6" 23.6" 23.6"
Spindle nose to table 4-27.6" 4-27.6" 4-27.6"
Spindle center to column 23.6" 23.6" 23.6"
Table length x width 39" x 22" 47" x 22" 55" x 22"
T-Slots .708" x 4.13" .708" x 4.13" .708" x 4.13"
Machine base width 31" 38.5" 38.5"
Machine saddle length 55" 63" 78"
Door opening width 38.3" 38.3" 38.3"
Crane loading access Std Std Std
Max weight on table 4,500 lbs 4,500 lbs 4,500 lbs

Spindle
Taper size #40 Taper #40 Taper #40 Taper
Speed range 0-8,000 rpm 0-8,000 rpm 0-8,000 rpm
Transmission Digital Direct belt drive Digital Direct belt drive Digital Direct belt drive
Spindle max torque 220 ft lbs 220 ft lbs 220 ft lbs
Spindle motor 25 hp 25 hp 25 hp
CNC temperature controlled XY & spindle XY & spindle XY & spindle
Ball screw diameter 40 mm 40 mm 40 mm
Ball screw pitch 10 mm 10 mm 10 mm
Max rapid rate XY&Z axes 1,181 ipm 1,181 ipm 1,181 ipm
Max cutting rate XY&Z axes 1,181 ipm 1,181 ipm 1,181 ipm

Accuracy
Positioning +/- .0001" +/- .0001" +/- .0001"
Repeatability +/- .00008" +/- .00008" +/- .00008"

Tool Changer
Capacity & type 24 Dual-arm 24 Dual-arm 24 Dual-arm
Max tool diameter 4.25" 4.25" 4.25"
Max tool weight 22 lbs 22 lbs 22 lbs

General
Air required @ 80-100psi 5scfm/16scfm momentary 5scfm/16scfm momentary 5scfm/16scfm momentary
Power required 220 VAC 220 VAC 220 VAC
Amps required 80 amps 90 amps 90 amps
Coolant tank capacity 32 gallon 32 gallon 32 gallon
Coolant motor 3 hp 3 hp 3 hp
Hand wheel Remote Remote Remote
Rigid Tapping 3,000 rpm 3,000 rpm 3,000 rpm
Machine size 122" x 125" x 100" 122" x 125" x 100" 122" x 144" x 100"
Machine weight 12,100 lbs 14,520 lbs 16,500 lbs


HOLY TEMOLE!



X Axis 86.6" 102.3" 118.1"
Y Axis 39.3" 39.3" 39.3"
Z Axis 39.3" 39.3" 39.3"
Spindle nose to table 6-45" 6-45.3" 6-45.3"
Spindle center to column 42" 42" 42"
Table length x width 95" x 39" 110" x 39" 118" x 39"
T-Slots .866" x 5.9" .866" x 5.9" .866" x 5.9"
Machine base width 138" 138" 138"
Machine saddle length 169" 193" 193"
Door opening width 87" 102" 118"
Crane loading access Std Std Std
Max weight on table 12,000 lbs 12,000 lbs 12,000 lbs

Spindle
Taper size #50 Taper #50 Taper #50 Taper
Speed range 0-8,000 rpm 0-8,000 rpm 0-8,000 rpm
Spindle max torque 325 ft lbs 325 ft lbs 325 ft lbs
Spindle motor 30 hp/40 hp 30 hp/40 hp 30 hp/40 hp
CNC temperature controlled XY & spindle XY & spindle XY & spindle
Axis motor max torque 109 ft lbs 109 ft lbs 109 ft lbs
Ball screw diameter 63 mm 63 mm 63 mm
Ball screw pitch 10 mm 10 mm 10 mm
Max rapid rate XY&Z axes 472 ipm 472 ipm 472 ipm
Max cutting rate XY&Z axes 472 ipm 472 ipm 472 ipm

Accuracy
Positioning +/- .0002" +/- .0002" +/- .0002"
Repeatability +/- .00015" +/- .00015" +/- .00015"

Tool Changer
Capacity & type 24 Dual-arm 24 Dual-arm 24 Dual-arm
Max tool diameter 5" 5" 5"
Max tool weight 26 lbs 26 lbs 26 lbs
Automatic chip removal Washer/auger/conveyor Washer/auger/conveyor Washer/auger/conveyor

General
Air required @ 80-100psi 6scfm/18scfm momentary 6scfm/18scfm momentary 6scfm/18scfm momentary
Power required 220 VAC 220 VAC 220 VAC
Amps required 125 amps 125 amps 125 amps
Coolant tank capacity 133 gallon 133 gallon 106 gallon
Coolant motor 7 hp 7 hp 5 hp
Hand wheel Remote Remote Remote
Rigid tapping 3,000 rpm 3,000 rpm 3,000 rpm
Machine size 197" x 236" x 110" 197" x 267" x 110" 197" x 299" x 110"
Machine weight 60,910 lbs 67,925 lbs 78,545 lbs


Damn where did these guys come from???

[joecnc1234]

Probably china???
Look at their website and their new plant.
New facility for Arcade Machine Inc. of Asia
Asia Huh what does that mean???
What are you a salesman????
Joe

[Caprirs]

They don't seem any different than many other machines. The company I worked for (Dynamechtronics) had a 32" x 20" machine that weighed 12,000lbs and a 43" x 22" machine at 16,000lbs. My Dynas weigh 4500lbs and are little #30 taper machines with 14" x 10" travels. Check the specs on Mazak, Matsuura, Republic Lagun, Tree, Mighty, Mori Seiki and others. For some reason, people forget that Haas and Fadal are among the lightest duty machines on the market.

[joecnc1234]

I agree I have no idea how good or bad these machines are but when somebody has a post like that it reminds of the guy who has a tip on a stock email, It just seems a little fishy. could be a great machine and they look nice I just don't like the way it was presented.
Joe

[carbidecraters]

Originally Posted by joecnc1234 Probably china??? Look at their website and their new plant. New facility for Arcade Machine Inc. of Asia Asia Huh what does that mean??? What are you a salesman???? Joe

I really want to add an insult here but I will hold back. You should check my other posts before you think I am a salesman but I dont expect everyone here to be savvy. Point is the big three car manufacturers use these machines so they must be robust. I hate it that the castings come from overseas and that was why I never looked twice at Milltronics. Is their any company that does meehanite domestically? I am a shop owner and a machinist not a salesman. Maybe you should look over the specs on the machines with a clear head.

[leeschaumberg]

Carbidecraters
Don't feel bad I was yelled at when I wanted to spend 5000 dollars for some thing. It seems many readers don't know where stuff comes from now. FORD made in CANADA. CHEVY made in MEXICO. The made in America people should not buy Ford or Chevy! A very popular vehicle (pick up) is made in the USA and named the -TOYOTA ! That is one Heck of a machine that you talk about. I am always faced with the part not fitting on the table. With this machine no one has to worry. Wish I had one of those sitting here for me to machine some thing. So again don't fell bad about what you read. By the way many folks lie too.
Lee

[carbidecraters]

Ford/GM/Chevy get chinese parts shipped to South Korea and are presented as South Korean parts. Toyota parts are also coming from China and shipped to the United States for assembly. It is obvious to me that these castings arent being done here and the machines final finish is horrible however their customer list and machine list is VERY impressive.
Customer Description
ACUSTAR NEWCASTLE 12 STA SWAGE TRANSFER
ALLISON DRILL RSM SHUTTLE
AM MOTOR RTV - 6 CYC
AM MOTOR DOUBLE TRANS RTV
AMERICOLD DOUBLE END
AMERICOLD DOUBLE END GROOVE & FACE
AO AMITH SINGLE SP GUN DRILL
ATLAS CRANKSHAFT REBUILD BAKER TRUNNION
ATLAS CRANKSHAFT REBUILD GREENLEE TRUNNION
ATLAS CRANKSHAFT REBUILD GREENLEE TRUNNION
ATLAS CRANKSHAFT BAKER 6 STA TRUNNIOIN
ATLAS CRANKSHAFT GREENLEE 6 STA TRUNNION
ATLAS CRANKSHAFT GREENLEE 6 STA TRUNNION
BOHN ALUM 6 STA TRUNNION
BOHN ALUM 3 STA DIAL
CADILLAC PHOTOTRACE RTV
CASE 1 LOT - 5 - LARGE DRILLHEADS
CATERPILLER YORK 4 STA DIAL
CHEV BUFFALO PHOTOTRACE DIAL RTV
CHEV BUFFALO DOUBLE END SWAGE
CHEV DIV GMC 2 PUSH ROD COVER RTV
CHEV ENG 27 STA CENTER COLUMN
CHEV ENG 7 STA GASKET APPLICATING
CHEV ENG STAND CIRCLE TRACK GASKET
CHEV FLINT ENG 2 - 6 STA TRANS
CHEV FLINT ENG 2 PHOTOTRACE RTV
CHEV FLINT ENG 7 RTV SPIN
CHEV FLINT ENG 2 RTV - ROCKER COVER
CHEV FLINT ENG 10 BASIC RTV
CHEV FLINT ENG SINGLE AXIS RTV
CHEV FLINT ENG SEMI AUTO LINE RTV
CHEV FLINT ENG 3 SINGLE AXIS RTV
CHEV FLINT ENG RTV
CHEV FLINT ENG 6 STA TRANS
CHEV FLINT ENG RTV TRANS
CHEV FLINT ENG 2 PHOTOTRACE RTV
CHEV FLINT ENG 2 CAM SPIN RTV
CHEV FLINT ENG TRANSFER MACHINE
CHEV FLINT ENG 2 SPIN RTV
CHEV FLINT ENG 2 AXIS GASKET APPLICATING
CHEV MFG 2 PHOTOTRACE RTV
CHEV PARMA 2 INLINE TRANSFER
CHEV TONAWANDA 2 SINGLE STA RTV
CHEV TONAWONDA 4 - 6 STA TRANS RTV
CHRYS DET FORGE BEND & QUENCH SWAGE
CHRYS DET FORGE 2 ERIE PRESS TRANS UNITS
CHRYS KOKO 12 STA DIAL
CHRYS KOKO 14 STA DIAL
CHRYS KOKO 6 STA DIAL
CHRYS KOKO 6 STA KINGSBURY
CHRYS KOKO RTV
CHRYS KOKO 8 STA DIAL
CHRYS KOKO REBUILD KINSBURY
CHRYS KOKO 6 STA DIAL
CHRYS KOKO REBUILD ARCADE GUN DRILL
CHRYS KOKO 6 STA DRILL
CHRYS KOKO 5 STA DIAL
CHRYS KOKO 4 GUN DRILL MACH
CHRYS KOKO 10 STA CENTER COLUMN DIAL
CHRYS KOKO 22 STA PALLET TRANS
CHRYS KOKO 8 STA DIAL
CHRYS KOKO 6 STA DIAL
CHRYS KOKO DRILL & REAM
CHRYS KOKO MACHINING STA 6188
CHRYS KOKO 6 STA CENTER COLUMN
CHRYS KOKO 10 STA CENTER COLUMN
CHRYS NEW PROCESS SPECIAL MILL
CHRYS NEW PROCESS 2 HORIZ DRILL
CHRYS NEW PROCESS 2 - 5 SP HORIZ DRILL
CHRYS NEW PROCESS 9 STA TRANS
CHRYS NEW PROCESS 3 WAY DRILL
CHRYS NEW PROCESS 11 STA CENTER COLUMN
CHRYS TRENTON RTV
CHRYS TRENTON FACE & CHAMFER
CLIPPER INT DOUBLE END SWAGE
COPELAND IN LINE TRANS
COPELAND GROOVE MILL
COPELAND DRILL DIAL
COPELAND 2 GUNDRILL TRANS
COPELAND CRANKSHAFT TURN TRANS
COPELAND 30 STA CENTER COLUMN
COPELAND 6 STA GUNDRILL
CROSS CNC RTV
CROSS 2 PHOTOTRACE RTV
DANA MAGNA CAM
DANA PHOTOTRACE RTV
DANA SINGLE STA DRILL
DANA MAGNA CAM
DANA 4 MAGNA CAM
DANA REWORK NATCO MACH
DANA REWORK DANA
DANA FT. WAYNE DOUBLE END MILL & CENTER
DANA FT. WAYNE FACE & CENTER
DANA FT. WAYNE DRILLING
DANA FT. WAYNE 3 STA TRANSFER
DANA FT. WAYNE MILL
DANA FT. WAYNE MILL
DANA PARISH REWORK 4 STA APPEX
DANA PARISH 4 STA DIAL
DANA PARISH 3 WAY BORING
DANA PARISH 3 WAY MILL & BORE
DANA PARISH REWORK ASTA
DANA PARISH DRILLING MACHINE
DANA SYRACUSE RETOOL APEX
DANA SYRACUSE FACE & CENTER
DANA TOLEDO REWORK BAKER DRILL
DANA TOLEDO REWORK BAKER TAP
DANA TOLEDO REWORK NATCO MACH
DANA TOLEDO REWORK NATCO MACH
DANA TOLEDO CONVERT NATCO MACH
DANA TOLEDO 2 REBUILD SNYDER
DANA TOLEDO REWORK 4 STA DIAL
DANA TOLEDO REBUILD SNYDER
DEBLISS COMPANY 8 STA CENTER COLUMN
DEEHLER JARVIS 5 STA DIAL
DEEHLER JARVIS 5 STA DIAL
DEVILBISS 8 STA DIAL
DEX INDIANA 5 STATION TRANSFER
DEX INDIANA 3 STATION TRANSFER
DEX INDIANA 4 STATION ROTARY DRILL
DEX INDIANA HORIZ DRILL
DEX INDIANA 3 STATION SHUTTLE MACHINE
DEX KOKOMO 12 SPINDLE GUN DRILL
DEX KOKOMO FLEX CROSS HOLE DRILL
DOEHLER JARVIS TUBE CUTOFF & CHAMFER
DONOVAN CONSTR. 2 SHELL MARKETING MACH
DONOVAN CONSTR. 2 SHELL KNURLING MACH
DOUGLAS AUTOJEC 5 VERTICAL SWAGE
DSA MAGNA TRACK
DSA MAGNA CAM
DSA MAGNA CAM
DSA PHOTOTRACE
DURR SWAGE TRANSFER
FEDERAL MOGUL HORIZ BROACH BRG WALLS
FEDERAL MOGUL HORIZ BROACH BRG HEIGHT
FEDERAL MOGUL 3 STA TRUNNION GROOVER
FEDERAL MOGUL 3 STA TRUNNION FACE & CHAMF
FEDERAL MOGUL 2 MANAUL HEIGHT BRANCH
FEL PRO CNC RTV
FORD BATAVIA 2 STATION TRANSFER
FORD BATAVIA DRILLING MACHINE
FORD BATAVIA 2 - 6 STA DIAL
FORD BATAVIA 2 - 3 STA DIAL
FORD BATAVIN 3 POS DRILL
FORD C.E.P #1 10 STATION CENTER COLUMN
FORD CEP 21 STA TRANS
FORD CLEVELAND 2- RETOOL KINGSBURY
FORD CLEVELAND 3 RETOOL KINGSBURY
FORD CLEVELAND 23 STA CENTER COLUMN
FORD DBN 4 VERT DRILL PRES
FORD DEARBORN 6 STA CENTER COLUMN
FORD DEP 2 RETOOL SNYDER NOTCH MILLS
FORD DON ENGINE 6 STA DIAL
FORD ENSITE THO ROLL TRANS
FORD ESSEX 27 STATION TRANSFER
FORD ESSEX 12 STATION CENTER COLUMN
FORD ESSEX 9 STATION CENTER COLUMN
FORD ESSEX STATION 8 OIL PUMP
FORD ESSEX CRANKSHAFT TRANSFER
FORD ESSEX RETOOL ASSY. MACHINE
FORD ESSEX 9 STATION CENTER COLUMN
FORD ESSEX LEAK TEST
FORD ESSEX ASSEMBLY
FORD ESSEX 4 STA DIAL
FORD ESSEX CENTER COLUMMN DIAL
FORD ESSEX 10 STA CENTER COLUMN DIAL
FORD ESSEX 12 STA CENTER COLUMN
FORD ESSEX 10 STA CENTER COLUMN
FORD INDY REWORK B&H TRANSFER
FORD INDY SWAGE TRANSFER
FORD INDY SUNBURST
FORD INDY SUNBURST DRILL
FORD INDY SUNBURST DRILL
FORD INDY BROACH & MILL TRANS
FORD INDY BROACH & MILL TRANS
FORD INDY DUP 6559
FORD INDY SUNBURST
FORD INDY SWAGE TRANSFER
FORD INDY 6 STA SWAGE TRANS
FORD INDY DOUBLE END SWAGE
FORD INDY 6 STA TRANS
FORD INDY SHUTTLE
FORD INDY TRANSFER MACHINE
FORD INDY 5 STA SWAGE
FORD INDY 15 STA TRANS SWAGE
FORD INDY 14 STA TRANS SWAGE
FORD INDY 2 BROACHING MACHINE
FORD LIMA PHOTOTRACE RTV
FORD LIMA CAM/SPIN RTV
FORD LIVONIA 3 STATION FLEX DIAL
FORD LIVONIA 3 STATION TRANSFER
FORD LIVONIA SUNBURST DRILL
FORD LIVONIA 4 STA DIAL
FORD LIVONIA 4 STA DIAL
FORD LIVONIA RETOOL TURNER
FORD LIVONIA BRUSH DEBURR
FORD LIVONIA BRUSHING PRESS
FORD LIVONIA IN LINE TRANS
FORD LIVONIA 8 STA DIAL
FORD MONROE CONVERTOR MILLING MACH.
FORD MONROE BAR END TURN TRANSFER
FORD MONROE REHAB AJAX PRESS
FORD MONROE 5 STA TRUNNUIN
FORD SHARONVILLE 3 STATION TRANSFER
FORD SHARONVILLE 7 STATION DIAL INDEX
FORD SHARONVILLE 4 STATION DIAL INDEX
FORD SHARONVILLE AUTO LOAD ELEVATOR
FORD SHARONVILLE 6 STA DIAL
FORD SHARONVILLE RETOOL LASALLE TRANS
FORD SHARONVILLE SUNBURST
FORD SHARONVILLE SMF TRANS REWORK
FORD SHARONVILLE SUNBURST
FORD SHEFFIELD 20 STA TRANS
FORD SHEFFIELD 3 STA DIAL
FORD SHEFFIELD 20 STA CENTER COLUMN
FORD STERLING DOUBLE END CHAMFER
FORD STERLING 6 STA DIAL
FORD STERLING 5 STA DIAL
FORD STERLING 5 STA DIAL
FORD STERLING 2 STA MILL
FORD STERLING DOUBLE END SWAGE
FORD STERLING RTV
FORD STERLING REHAB SWAGE
FORD STERLING 2 RTV
FORD STERLING TEMPLATE RTV
FORD STERLING REBUILD TRUNNION
FORD VAN DYKE 2 PHOTOTRACE RTV
FORD VAN DYKE 2 RTV
FORD WINDSOR 1-2 SP TAPPING HEAD
FORD YPSI COIL BENDING INDEX
FORD YPSI COIL BENDING INDEX
FORD YPSI 4 STA DIAL - COIL FORM
GE WATERFORD NY RTV
GE WATERFORD NY MODIFY RTV HERSHY DOT DISP
GM CANADA 2 RTV TRANS
GM CANADA SINGLE AXIS RTV
GM ST CATHERINE DOUBLE END SWAGE
GREENLEE 20 STA TRANS
HYDRAMATIC 9 PHOTOTRACE RTV
INGERSOLL RAND PHOTOTRACE RTV
INT HARVESTER DRILLING MACHINE
INT HARVESTOR 4 POS SHUTTLE
INT HARVESTOR 6 STA DIAL
INT HARVESTOR DEEP HOLE DRILLING
IPE INDUCTION MACHINE
JI CASE 14 LARGE HEADS & BP
JI CASE 5 POSITION SHUTTLE
LANDIS DOUBLE END
LANDIS DRILLING
MACK TRUCK 2 POS SHUTTLE
MACK TRUCK 7 STA DIAL
MACK TRUCK 8 STA DIAL
MACK TRUCK RETOOL BUHR DRILL
MACK TRUCK BREBUILD BAUSCH DRILL
MACK TRUCK SPECIAL DOUBLE END FACE/TURN
MACK TRUCK 3 STA DIAL
MACK TRUCK 6 STA DIAL
MACK TRUCK 7 STA DIAL
MACK TRUCK 6 STA CENTER COLUMN
MATSUI PHOTOTRACE RTV
MERCURY MARINE DRILL / TAP SHUTTLE
MERCURY MARINE 2 POS GUN DRILL
MERCURY MARINE SHUTTLE PROP SHAFT
NEW IDEA 2 - 3 WAY BORING
NISSON 4 F.I.P.G. MACHINE
NORDSON 6 GUN MOVERS
NORDSON 2 GUN MOVERS
NORDSON 2 GUN MOVERS
NORDSON 6 OVERHEAD POSITIONERS
PNEU INC 2 PHOTOTRACE RTV
PONTIAC 6 CAM RTV
PONTIAC 8 PIVOT ARM RTV
PONTIAC 2 STD RTV
PONTIAC 5 MI-I RTV
PONTIAC 2 MI-I RTV
PONTIAC RTV W/3 SETS FIXT
PONTIAC SPIN RTV
QUAN EX 5 STA SWAGE TRANS
REHNBERG INDEX TABLE
REINHART MAGNA CAM
RENAULT TEMPCATE RTV
REXSON PHOTOTRACE DIAL RTV
REXSON PHOTOTRACE DIAL RTV
ROCKWELL INT RETOOL NATCO (TRANSFER)
ROCKWELL INT RETOOL NATCO (TRANSFER)
RWC RTV
SAGINAW ACA 9 STA CENTER COLUMN
SAGINAW ACA 7 STA SWAGE TRANS
SAGINAW ALA 38 STA TRANS
SAGINAW ALA 52 STA TRANS
SAGINAW ALA 2 - 18 STA TRANS
SAGINAW ALA 2 - 18 STA TRANS
SAGINAW ALA 7 STA TRANS
SAGINAW ALA 7 STA TRANS
SAGINAW ALA SWAGE CANCELLED
SAGINAW ALA 4 STA HORIZ FORM
SAGINAW ST SWAGE TRANSFER
SAGINAW ST SWAGE TRANSFER
SAGINAW STEERING HORIZ DRILL
SAGINAW STEERING 4 STA INDEX SWAGE
SAGINAW STEERING 4 STA INDEX SWAGE
SAGINAW STEERING 5 STA DIAL
SAGINAW STEERING 2 FACE & CHAMFER
SAGINAW STEERING DOUBLE END SWAGE
SAGINAW STEERING 60 DIAL INDEX
SAGINAW STEERING 5 STA SWAGE TRANS
SAGINAW STEERING PALLETIZED TRANSFER
SAGINAW STEERING PALLETIZED TRANSFER
SAGINAW STEERING RETOOL 8 STA KINSBURY
SAGINAW STEERING 2 CHAMFERING MACHINE
SAGINAW STEERING DOUBLE END SWAGE
SAGINAW STEERING SPEC DOUBLE END SWAGE
SAGINAW STEERING SPEC SWAGE MACHINE
STANADYNE 8 STA DIAL
STANADYNE 8 STA DIAL
SYSTOMATION SILICONE APPLICATOR
TELEDYNE CONTINENTAL TEMPLATE RTV
THIOKOL 2 KNURLING MACHINES SHEILS
TRW GROOVE & WIRE BRUSH
TRW SWAGE MOTOR SHAFT
TRW SWAGE ARM SHAFT
TRW 12 STA TRANSFER RACK
TRW 12 STA TRANSFER SHAFT
TRW BROACHING MACHINE
TRW 6 STA DIAL
TRW LIFT & CARRY SWAGE
TRW CLEVELAND TWIN O MATIC
TRW CLEVELAND TWIN O MATIC MILL/DRILL
TRW ROGERSVILLE RETOOL SWAGE
VISTEON EFHD CNC TURNKEY (Mori Seiki)
VISTEON EFHD 4 STATION FLEX DIAL
VISTEON INDY STAND ALONE
VISTEON INDY TRANSFER/SWAGE
VISTEON STERLING 7 STATION DIAL INDEX
WARNER GEAR 2 TEMPLATE RTV
WARNER GEAR CAM/SPIN RTV
WARNER GEAR 2 TWIN TEMPLATE RTV
WARNER GEAR TEMPLATE RTV
WESTING HOUSE GUN DRILL CONTROLS

[Caprirs]

Point is the big three car manufacturers use these machines so they must be robust.

The big three use everything, good or bad so that's not really an endorsement.

I hate it that the castings come from overseas and that was why I never looked twice at Milltronics. Is their any company that does meehanite domestically?

No one does castings of that size domestically. Haas and Fadal are no more "Made in USA" than anything else. The EPA and OSHA have made big castings cost prohibitive. Even the Japanese machines and automobiles have all the big castings done in China.

Maybe you should look over the specs on the machines with a clear head.

I looked at the specs. I pointed out they are nothing special. The Brute machines are no better than machines offered ten years ago from Dynamechtronics, Mighty/Viper, Femco, Tree, Republic Lagun, and others. The Brute does look stouter than the light duty linear guide machines from Haas, Fadal, Bridgeport, Cinncinnati, Hardinge, and Milltronics but that isn't saying much.

[davereagan]

That user list had nothing to do with Vertical Machining. The name of each machine or operation was given, so take a look at it. How would a VMC be used in swaging or in a transfer line?


The heaviest machines come from South Korea (Daewoo/Doosan), Taiwan and China. That's been true for a long time. I own a Mighty Mustang C-42, which has box ways. With 20" x 42" travel, it's lighter than a Haas at 9,000 lbs vs. apporx. 12,000 lbs and from the cuts I made in a demo video, Haas users told me their machine could not keep up with it. 1018 steel, 2" 45 degree SEKN Face mill, .150"-.200" deep, .015" fpt, 1800 rpm. I saw a Daewoo Mynx 500 (20" x 40") machine with box ways and 16,000 lbs run an Iscar 1.5" three flute APKT type endmill .500" deep slotting in 1018 steel. Try that with a 50 Taper Haas.

[dertsap]

we have a quantum and an enshu as well as a number of jap machines, both 50 taper machines i beleave are korean machines , absolutely trouble free work horses , i highly a doubt hass could keep up to what we put those two machines thru 24/7,especially after talking with guys i know that own them , they a mearly an affordable machine , the chevy's cavellier of machines , and fadal well thats a no good piece that i hope never to touch again ,thats the lada of machines
and where are they made ?

bottom line is the japanese can t be beat but there are some good machines out there for the guy that can t always afford them

[davereagan]

Hey man, you're driving a Lexus, not a Hyundai. Enshu is a step above even Mori Seiki in terms of design and durability if that's possible.

http://www.enshuusa.com/

[dertsap]

Originally Posted by davereagan Hey man, you're driving a Lexus, not a Hyundai. Enshu is a step above even Mori Seiki in terms of design and durability if that's possible. http://www.enshuusa.com/

really ?

i had alway thought is was korean ,they are definitely as reliable as the mori's,
its an ev650 , theres no stopping the sucker ,and very accurate but some of the inner design is quite flawed in reguards to covers , and chip evacuation , chips get where we really don t want them ,we plan on one or two simple mods to solve this issue but on the other hand i can put a lot of the blame on the operators , if i wasn t on top of them the machines would never get cleaned