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Old 05-25-2007, 10:46 AM
 
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Spend the big bucks and get the best?
Mastercam
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Old 07-16-2007, 09:34 AM
 
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Watch for extra charges, maintenance, updates and posts.
I use Esprit, the dealer we got it from has a very nice deal which includes; maintenance, updates and posts free for life! It is the only software I have actually used much, so I couldn't compare it.

I have priced cheaper software which, when all extras are added in, you end up with less software for close to if not more money!
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Old 07-19-2007, 06:59 AM
 
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I recomend SolidWORKS/CAM or ProE...they arent leading programs for nothing, used them in school and college... But be ready to cough up big bucks for it...i can even give you a price for Solid if you want but on pvt...
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Old 07-19-2007, 11:38 AM
 
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Mastercam has some decent 2 1/2 axis packages.
You get what you pay for.
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Old 07-20-2007, 10:16 AM
 
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I am really interested in Solid Cam, we currently use SolidWorks for modeling.
Have you had any problems with their cam?
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Old 07-23-2007, 08:03 PM
 
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Gibbs and SolidWorks, Acad for fast 2-D.
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Old 07-24-2007, 10:56 AM
 
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Been using ONEcnc eval software, seems powerful and easy to use.
in ESPRIT, to do one operation takes some times many steps, in "ONE" it's much simpler.

I would love to give it a trial...but we have laid out once for software this year, and doubt I'll get the OK again!

It really works nice if you do your cad work and cam in one program.

Only bad thing I can say is it has a limited # of file formats it can deal with.
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Ok then here we go, this is always a big topic. I have used, Gibbs, featureCam, peps, catia, onecn-crap(that's how bad this cam is),bob-crap(even worse than onecnc), edgeCam, powermill and MasterCam. I'm a full time programmer 80hrs a week so I get a good idea at what's good and bad. If you are serious about the work you are going to do you need to spend that little bit extra. You will only be kicking yourself farther down the line when you have a job to machine that you cam package just will not do in the way you want it to. Onecnc and Bob are just not worth talking about. To some one that has only used these two packages they will probably think they are great, but they really are not. Bad finishes and sod all user control. Catia looks great and machines pretty well, but i found some of the code to be a little long winded. Less lines of code = better finishes. Peps and edgecam are very good packages. You would nt be disappointed if you brought either of these. If all the work you are going to be doing is 2d, then powermill is the choice for you. FeatureCam was always my fav. Easy to use, quick to learn. However featureCam really do push there feature recognition module. And it is a pain in the ass at times. The pick of the cad/cam softwares is MasterCam. By far the best anywhere in the world. You get complete control over your programing. There is not a job that you will ever not be able to do with this software. There are so many different tool paths to use. Here lies masterCams only downfall. For an experienced programmer this is fantastic. It allows lots of control, but for a novice this could confuse them. However, the entry mill level of masterCam is stripped back removing some of the more fancy tool paths while still leaving excellent control with the tool paths that are left. The masterCam is excellent. I live in Australia, and if I have a problem i e-mail masterCam the file before I go home. When i get back to work in the morning they have already sent me back the file with the problem fixed and a detailed message explaining what they have done. I once sent them an extremely complex 5 axis job to get some help with a tool path that I hadn't used before and they sent me back a file with the whole job programed!! It run in the machine first time with no problems.

MasterCam is the only software I will ever recommend to any one. It costs a little bit more, but you get what you pay for. I hope this has been helpful to you. If you need any more info please don't hesitate to drop me an e-mail.

Regards Peter.

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Solidworks have my vote... I taught myself to use Solidworks.
But that's only to design/model my CNC router which is now under construction. By end of next week I should be able to post some pictures of the buildup.

Once the machine is up, I have to teach myself how to run the router, Mastercam and Mach3...
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I'm a manufacturing engineer and a machinist by trade. I've used just about every combination that you can imagine from bare bones entry level stuff to supposedly top of the line state of the art packages. My vote is:

CAD/ Modeling - Solidworks
CAM - MasterCAM

Each of these programs are extremely powerful, intuitive, and most important, easy to learn. My experience has been that a seat of Solidworks will run about $5500 and a seat of MasterCAM will run you about $12,000. I'm stuck learning(struggling?) Pro/E amd Pro?nc where I am now and HATE IT!!!!! It is the most cumbersome, over priced piece of s*** package that I have ever used. I can't believe that these people are actually selling this stuff, but anyway. I agree with liveforever8281. If you're serious about what you do and you're doing it to make money, spend the extra money and but what i consider to be two of the industry standards when it come to CAD/CAM packages.
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Old 10-23-2007, 08:10 PM
 
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Talking Chips on a budget

Ok -

The cheapest solution that works - assuming you are starting from scratch.

Controller software - use Mach3 - $159.00
http://www.machsupport.com/artsoft/index/index.htm

2D/3D Cad Software - VIA CAD 2D3D - $95.00
www.staples.com

GCode generator for 3D Models - Vectric Cut3D - $299.00
www.vectric.com

With this combo - you can produce and cut 2d/3d models for less than $600.00 - add some gecko controllers and steppers - start making chips

IMO - If you feel the need to spend the time and effort on a package like mastercam - make sure that you have a need and market to invest the time and money. I make all kinds of molds for thermoforming. I have yet to come across an object I couldn't model or produce from this set of software.

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