Haas or Mazak???

[carlosgzz5555]

I am evaltuating to buy a CNC mill equipment, I would like to know which brand do you recomend, Haas or Mazak?

[psychomill]

Need more info.... What's your budget? What do you need to do? What type of mill? How much volume? What types of materials? How much future capacity? How much current capacity? Etc....

I'll take a Mazak over a Haas anyday... but you may not "need" one. Need more info....

[TURNING MAD]

Mazak By Far Is A Better Product. But You Will Certainly Pay For The Difference. If You Are Doing Small To Medium Size Lots At Close Tolerance With Complex Shapes, Then You Will Not Even Want To Consider A Hass. Hass Is A Fair Product For The Money, But Lacks In Programming Power And Editing Flexibility. Also, With Hass, Everything You Will Want Is An Extra Option. For Examp, Custom Macro. Give Me A Break. Graphics Suck. Hass Is Better Suited For High Volume Jobs Where You Only Set Up A Few Jobs A Year.

[little bubba]

Originally Posted by TURNING MAD Mazak By Far Is A Better Product. But You Will Certainly Pay For The Difference.

The cost difference isn't as large as you might think. Recently got a quote on a Mazak 510C, the 40X20 mill. Base of 96k or so. And its pretty much ready to go, 12k rpm 25 horse spindle, 1400ipm rapids. Added in a chip conveyor, through spindle coolant, some controller options and came to 116k.

Went over to the Haas website and tried to build up a 40X20 machine as close as I could get and came to 114k. Still not up there on the rapids or the spindle, no chip conveyor, only the auger, and definitely not as beefy. I know there are package deals and all that that will drop the price quite a bit.

Personally never ran a Haas, but I'm running a '95 Mazak FJV20 and a '98 QT20, and they just keep going and going and going, lots and lots of heavy cut. Total for replacement parts for the two machines over the past 30months, under $600. I'm very happy with them.

[CBNDude]

My opinion: The Mazak is by far a better investment than the Haas. Not taking anything away from the Haas (they have there place) but they are not as sound as a Mazak. With my experience Haas does provide better support than Mazak, replacement parts are cheaper and generally an easier machine to repair if needed. But the Mazak will require fewer repairs in the long run (generally speaking). If it were me I would fork out the extra $$$$ for the Mazak.

[tobyaxis]

From my experience this decision depends on your Application. What type of Materials you will be cutting and at what Tolerances you need to hold.

Mazak is a fine Production machine with acceptable performance. Tolerance wise, +-.0005.

HAAS is also a good machine that has about the Same Performance, but has the best overall Service Response.

These Two machines will satisfy 80% of the machine shops production needs.

[ctate2000]

I have used both and I would not advise buying either machine. Mazak has the worst control of any machine on the market. It does not allow the user any freedom. The HAAS machines are built poorly. If you have no other choice then buy the Mazak it is a good machine except for the control.

I would suggest buying a Fadal if you want a new machine and don't want to spend much. I have owned three and they are solid, accurate and easy to program. If you want the best go for a Mori Seiki. They are also some of most expensive. I have also heard a lot of good things about the Daewoo.

[carlosgzz5555]

Thank you for your feedback.

The volume is low, not so thigth tolerances, and also no complicated shapes.

I am just starting.

Thanks in advance.

[lgreeves]

Haas

[cadcam]

For that thought go with the Haas and you can to volume with them as I have tons or I will say hundreds is more real that use the Haas for production day and night.

Now I do have to say the Mazak is a better made machine for sure.
but for the price you could buy two to three Haas machines.

Also if you are just starting out the HAAS will be better on the pocket book, but down the road you may want to include a Mazak.

[psychomill]

Mazak has the worst control of any machine on the market. It does not allow the user any freedom.

Care to elaborate????

[tobyaxis]

Originally Posted by psychomill Care to elaborate????

Unless you are a Mazatrol Guru Mazatrol has Limits. Try a Complex Surface sometime. Mazatrol is great for what it is made for, but with more complexity you have to use G-Code Sub-Programs, even on a Lathe.

Try this part in Mazatrol