I think we're both driving the same wagon here. Just trying to inform society for the common good. You or they or any other pronoun is not directed at anyone specifically, other than FSL. My point is mainly pointing out the "truth-stretching" going on here. I won't argue that the Chinese machines are or aren't dirt cheap. You can have a dirt cheap machine with a 30W laser and you are fine. Just don't call it a 40W laser if it a 30W laser. And don't use jargon like "industry standard" if its not true. Which industry are you getting the standard from? The American industry standard is as I have described in my earlier post.