Stepper Motor wiring datasheet unclear

[atair]

EDIT: ******
got it to work:
for 57STH76-2808S the bipolar serial connections are:
[blue+redwhite / green+blackwhite]
for reasons i dont understand yet
[red+bluewhite / black+greenwhite] also works - does it mean it makes no difference if i connect the outer or inner coil ends?
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hi
(first post - so i cant post links directly)

i bought 3 "M57STH76-2808S" 8 wire stepper motors - and i cant figure out the colors to connect, to get it in bipolar serial mode
##link in second post!
as you can see the little ' symbols are missing on the color index..
now the real problem:
i could just assume they are down the row (A,A',C',C,etc.), but! - i looked up the "neighbor" motors:
##link in second post!
and you will see they have it both ways: some lists go +,-,-,+ and some +,-,+,-.. you see the problem.
now for some reason the motors came with 2x2 wires already connected - namely [black+greenwhite] and [red+bluewhite] which doesnt add up whith the data sheet (either way) as they connect the outer coils (is this a problem by the way? all graphics show always the 'closer' coil wires connected)
i know i could find out by wiring different combinations and find out, but this is the first time i have a stepper motor in front of me, and there are 100 other things like mach3, driver etc that could be wrong - i just dont know yet, so i can not test it this way.
if anyone knows this motor, or has a solution - please help.
thanks!

ps: i have a 30v 8A power supply and 3 of these motors - is bipolar serial the right answer - i read the last days a lot about ohms law, but still cant figure out if this is the right mode for me considering the power supply (i will need rather low rpm - as they are going to be connected to a belt/pulley setup)
the controller is a Toshiba-TB6560AHQ (i know...)

[atair]

datasheet link: http://www.motioncontrolproducts.com...TH76-2808S.pdf

other motors: Motion Control Products | Stepper Motors | Hybrid Nema 23 Stepper Motors

[HorridHenry]

Serial mode is...

A AC C
B BD D

[atair]

yes it is - but the problem are the colors..

[HorridHenry]

A Blue&White
A Blue
C Red&white
C Red

B Gren&White
B Green
D Black&White
D Black

Blue to red...thats one winding

Green to Black....second winding

[atair]

thanks!
can you tell me also the + / -?
and how do you know which is which?

[HorridHenry]

- is the singular colours.

[atair]

unfortunately its not always with this company:
http://www.motioncontrolproducts.com...TH56-3008B.pdf
here the "-" switches between blue and red-white..
as is said, some others are "-" with singular color - but not all, and in my datasheet the information is missing

and my motors came with blue-redwhite and black-greenwhite connected (twisted together) - as it is would be ok according to the datasheet above.
but to make this even more complicated, the only other motor with the id M57STH76-2808* in this case, one with 2 shafts:
http://www.motioncontrolproducts.com...76-2808D-1.pdf
is as suggested above: all singular colors are "-"

to not lose track -this is mine: http://www.motioncontrolproducts.com...TH76-2808S.pdf


confusing!

[HorridHenry]

unfortunately its not always with this company:

Then you have a problem then.

Best contact Motion Control because all roads lead to them,seems that any data sheet from other sites links/refers to this company for the PDF.

[atair]

i tried it the hard way now - and [blue+redwhite] [green+blackwhite] at least give some response..

X AXIS: enable pin 5V, direction 0,8V?
motor running in mach3, but it turns only in one direction!

Y AXIS: enable pin 5V, direction 5V
is locked (jumps a bit on reset), but does not move

Z AXIS: enable 0,8V, direction 5V
nothing.. i can rotate it by hand.


- mach3 settings are tripple checked with the manuals form TB6560AHQ
- lpt is onboard, 2004 athlon xp..

[atair]

it was the lpt port..
i got a pci 5v card today:
DELOCK 89004 and set the port according to the device manager resources...

now everything works, but still have two options (both work)
[blue+redwhite / green+blackwhite]
for reasons i dont understand yet
[red+bluewhite / black+greenwhite] also works - does it mean it makes no difference if i connect the outer or inner coil ends?

[H500]

Both works because they result in the same current flow direction through the coils.

You should try bipolar parallel. It will almost certainly give you better performance.