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Take look at this link.
http://www2.rhino3d.com/resources/di...e=&listing=872
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the short version of this story is that i am looking to order a turnkey x2 or x3 mill, and i already have rhino, but from what i'm seeing people really like the bobcad stuff, i've never seen it, but i was wondering if someone that has seen both could tell me more... I'm fairly good with rhino, and i'm just wondering if learning new software will be worth the time and cost....
Grizzly X3, CNC Fusion Ballscrew kit, 3 500oz-in bipolar steppers, 3 203v Gecko's, Linear power supply from Hubbard CNC, Mach 3, BOBcad Pro Art V22, Rhino.
Take look at this link.
http://www2.rhino3d.com/resources/di...e=&listing=872
Version 21 CAD/CAM offers enhanced CAD Design with wireframe, surface creation tools and solid modeling with new file import options that include SolidWorks & Parasolid X_T/X_B support. Version 21 provides 2.5, 3 & 4 axis toolpath as well as profiling, New engraving capabilities, hole pattern and automatic pocketing functions. Visual basic scripting functions are added to provide manufacturers with the ultimate tools for part programming. Post processors are FREE, fully user-definable and both RS 232 plus DNC capabilities are included. There is now a NEW complete 10 CD training professor video series available for Version 21 and it is also available in Spanish.
As a BCC user of 5 years (V17, V19, V20, & V21) I can say it really depends on what you want to do now and in the future. V21 backed by BobArt ProX should do what you want.
What do you plan on making?
Toby D.
"Imagination and Memory are but one thing, but for divers considerations have divers names"
Schwarzwald
(Note: The opinions expressed in this post are my own and are not necessarily those of CNCzone and its management)
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As worked with BobCAD for 6 years, I can tell you that if you do go that rout, get many opionions first, that will be helpful. Also, be sure that you thorougly check out the demo on your end. Ask them for a fully functional license. I worked there and trust me, they will tell you know at first, because they want the sale. But if you insist, they'll offer it to you. Once you buy, you cant turn back around. And again, click on that link, it says more than just that.
Says a lot more than what I posted, WOW!!!!Originally Posted by rodneydeeeee
Well you can read up on BCC in this Forum and these two as well
http://216.117.147.20/bobcadsupport/forums/index.php
CNC Zone has a vast amount of information as well.
http://cadcamtrainer.com/forums/index.php.
CAD/CAM Trainer is Sorin Nenu's Forum. He is the Official BobCAD/CAM Trainer and a Private Contractor, not a salesperson. He offers FREE Video Tutorials Located on his site if you register. All of the Members have respect for eachother and their Software of choice, which can be any Software.
Project5k,
I'll tell you what I tell everyone else.
"Only you can decide what software is best for you and your needs".
Try Demos of Software, and form your opinion from there.
Remember one thing when choosing" It's your choice"
Good luck with what ever you choose and all of these forums will be here to help if you have any questions.
Cheers!!!!!
Toby D.
"Imagination and Memory are but one thing, but for divers considerations have divers names"
Schwarzwald
(Note: The opinions expressed in this post are my own and are not necessarily those of CNCzone and its management)
www.refractotech.com
Well some users like to see both sides of it, not just the positive. So therefore thats why I recomend he read the reviews, not just the beginning which was wrote by a BobCAD sales rep.
Sorry about that, I didn't know those reviews were there
Toby D.
"Imagination and Memory are but one thing, but for divers considerations have divers names"
Schwarzwald
(Note: The opinions expressed in this post are my own and are not necessarily those of CNCzone and its management)
www.refractotech.com
It's ok Toby, most don't but its helpful for reviews on many differnt systems.
Which version of Rhino do you have? If version 3 or 4 contact Joakim at the following link.
http://www.madcamcnc.com/start.html
I use Madcam, which is a plugin for Rhino, and I love it.
Mike
No greater love can a man have than this, that he give his life for a friend.
thanks for all the information everyone.. i'll answer the questions i remember first and then go back and answer others... im running an old rhino, v2.. yea i know i shoud update, but its what i've got for now and it serves my current needs...
madcam huh.. how does a plugin work with rhino? i've never tried to "plug in" anything into it... so far all i have used it for is to draw ideas of things that i want to make,and to us it as a floorplan software when designing the slab for my shop.. drew all the forms and steel layout and whatnot so that i could make sure things would fit, and to have something to hand to my contractor, and tell him, "this is what i want"
as for what i'm gonna be making, well mostly to start off it will be keychains, and custom vehicle accents, things like that.. then as i get better, and some milling experience, i'll get into more complex parts.. i would really like to make my own custom wheels and parts for some of my RC cars and boats...
99% of what i'll be making will be in t6061 alum, but i'm sure that i'll have a few things that i want to make out of mild steel... i have a few tools that i would like to make, and mild steel would be ideal....
i am seriously considering going ahead and getting the 4th axis for the machine, that way i'm not limited to what i can do extept in my skill and the size of tha parts, but it looks like the x3 is big enough to handle all of my "preorders" as of right now...
i downloaded the bobcam demo, and having only ever dealt with rhino, so far i'm finding it clunky and restrictive, but im sure thats just part of the learning curve with the new software...
I will go and check out the reviews, and the videos when i have time...later this evening.. right now i'm off to the banks to see what i can learn about getting some $$.. see what the rates are like, and what the payments are going to look like.... then when i finally find out that i can get the $$ then i will get all kinds of serious about picking a machine and whatnot.. right now it really feels like a pipe dream, cause i dont know if i can evern get the $$ to do all this... i know doing the homework is the most important thing, and learning all about the software is part of it, but knowing if i can even do any of this is part of it too....
thanks again for all the information.. and if you have any other ideas, suggestions, or ideas, please dont hesitate to let me know....
Grizzly X3, CNC Fusion Ballscrew kit, 3 500oz-in bipolar steppers, 3 203v Gecko's, Linear power supply from Hubbard CNC, Mach 3, BOBcad Pro Art V22, Rhino.
Madcam is a program that sits inside Rhino and runs in conjunction with Rhino. The problem is that neither version of Madcam will run in version 2 of Rhino.
Now another option I just thought of is Meshcam. Low cost program that is quite easy to use and super support. There is a Meshcam forum here on the zone....I think.
Mike
No greater love can a man have than this, that he give his life for a friend.
I've had Bob-cad since v17 about 6-7 years ago. I am now using Rhino. The last version of Bob-cad that I bought was v21. If you want to do basic programing then its probably all you need. The software is cheap and you can work the sales people down to $300 and get them to throw in Bob Art, Bob Nest, and extra desk. They advertise the software as 3-D which is not true. Its only 2.5-D.
Now for the bad side to Bob cad that made me switch. There program like any others has some flaws. Bob-cad does not offer many updates. Instead they come out with a new version every year or so and when you run into a problem they tell you that your older version is no longer being updated "fork up some more cash for the new version" The other thing that they are bad about is there maintenance fee, something like $250 A YEAR !!!!! Thats what I paid for the software! I tried to call them to let them know about a error in there software and they told me that I couldn't talk to tech support because I didn't have a maintenance program.
Instead of being nickel and dimmed every year by Bob-cad I decided to spend a little more and buy Rhino CAD and Rhino CAM PRO. Yes it cost a bit more but its 10X the program that Bob-cad is. You NEVER have to pay for tech support and you don't get the annoying sales calls like I did from Bob-cad.
This should tell you something. The sales people from Bob-cad started calling about there new 2007 software. When I told them that I bought the full Rhino package and I said I LOVED it. They just said OK, thanks and never called again. They know when they have nothing more to offer.
Bottom line is if your a hobbyist then Bob-cad may be all you need. I on the other hand design molds for the plastics industry and Rhino is a must and you get what you pay for.
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