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    I appreciate what you are saying is all true Gerry but I'd like to point out that while you are 100% correct about the pirate copy of Planet USB CNC, how can a person (like me) who has researched and bought equipment on the basis of 'will it do what I want' The specifications and Ebay feedback, be expected to know it came with totally dud electronics and pirate software? I gave the seller a 5 star feedback after I'd assembled the router. I've since written to Ebay about the vendor I bought it from.

    These guys are like weeds, get rid of one and two more pop up. I am quite dirty on Planet for telling everyone who has any issues with their software that they probably have a Chinese counterfeit board and try to disown them before ever discovering if the board they have is a copy or not. Planet published the circuitry of this board. They've only got themselves to blame for an unethical Chinese manufacturer starting to manufacture them. The board incidentally is not an exact copy and therefore can't legally be called a counterfeit. Who is ethical is a moot point when customers are being ripped off.

    I have been importing goods from China for quite a while now. I can assure anyone trying to condemn the Chinese nation as being copy artists that 98% of Chinese manufacturers are ethical. The same thing going on with routers and to a lesser extent Laser cutters went on when Japan began to emerge as a manufacturing nation. Today they lead the world in metallurgy. Eventually China will achieve similar status. That doesn't help me or those like me who decided not to complain.

    That having been said, I spoke directly with Hind Technology (they make the Masso). Yes this is more expensive than a Planet board a lot more expensive but it does not use a separate computer. That in itself makes the overall cost competitive. Once you wire the steppers into it and decide on using a play station or other jogger, all you need to do is connect a keyboard and monitor, feed it G-code and it goes to work. Setup of the controller is not as complicated as setting up Planet's software. The parts that don't yet work are things like WI FI and quite secondary to driving a router.

    For me, all I need to do is make a phone call in my time zone and get 1 on 1 help with any issue I might be experiencing. I can't even post to Planet's forum without waiting for a moderator to approve my post or several days for someone in support to reply. This is how to treat a customer? I think not. They licensed their software to me and tied it to a pirate copy of their software and a copy of their obsolete controller board. The very least they could do is offer me a refund if they refuse to support their software.

    Today I'll try out some of the software you and KH0UJ recommended. Khouj offered to walk me through using Mach3. The first offer of help I've had. That is where I'll start.



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    how can a person (like me) who has researched and bought equipment on the basis of 'will it do what I want' The specifications and Ebay feedback, be expected to know it came with totally dud electronics and pirate software?
    Caveat emptor I am afraid. But there are PLENTY of sources on info available if you take the time - and make sure you are not just reading the sock puppets.

    Planet published the circuitry of this board. They've only got themselves to blame for an unethical Chinese manufacturer starting to manufacture them.
    Sorry, but that is total rubbish. Planet can NOT be responsible for what any other mfr does. Not in law, and not morally.

    There is always someone out there willing to offer a cheaper deal with lots of smooth promises about it working. That is human nature: rip off the gullible. It may not be nice, being told that you were conned, but there it is. Learn from it and move on.

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    Yeah... Sets me back a little to be told what I already knew. Moving on...

    I've just ordered a Masso controller and a few accessories for it. Let's hope I made the right decision!



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    It will be interesting to hear what you think about the Masso controller. Some of his claims were a bit too wild and ridiculous when I looked some time ago, but maybe he has improved. Here's hoping.

    Cheers
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    I believe version 1 of the controller had a few uncompleted features. No one seems to have questioned them publicly. The controller is now 3rd generation and likely to be fulfilling everything planned for it that was not available in the beginning. Hind Technologies are pretty well thought of in Robotic controls in Australia. I can't find a bad word about them or any of their products.

    I will certainly let you know if it lives up to expectations. 10 second boot time, functional Wi Fi all sounds good to me. Play Station controller jogging ...Awfully expensive but I'm hoping you only get what you pay for will fit in here. When I added a new PC if I went the Planet route there wasn't much difference in the cost. Local support was the big decider for me. If the worst came to the worst I could load the whole lot into my van and drive to Sydney if I can't make it do what the instructions say! There's on-line documentation if you are interested: Documentation - Hind Technology Group Looks fairly easy to me... Said the dying man!

    Enjoy your evening,
    Ryadia.



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    Can you post you CNC controller here sir? I already uploaded the file you requested the last time on my google drive, I just need your email to share it with you, this is the chinese CNC board that almost everyone here is gutting and replaced it with a different board, it`s unstable, sometimes gets jitters when running @ 4 hours continuous, jumps between line programs without prior notice and crash spindles on the jigs , but I made it a rock solid steady and reliable machine by just using a bamboo stick and an 80mm 12VDC fan, since It does`nt have a 12VDC output on it`s power supply I just used an 82 ohm resistor to drop the 24V to 12VDC @ 0.4 amp load, by the way just last year this machines got paid off, so right now in the shop were counting profits minus my salary it`s paying for my salary .

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    If you can just solve all the problems that`s causing it`s instabilities, it`s a cheap and rock solid piece of CNC machine on my opinion.

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    Default Re: New as in old is new again!

    There you go again... Addressing my DAD !

    That looks nothing like my boards.New as in old is new again!-view-3-jpg
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    For my email address use my name at my name .com.au
    I'm pleased to hear you are making money out of your machine. Mine behaves like its got a ratchet on the stepper motors stopping and starting as if the pulse rate is all wrong ever since I updated the Planet software and driver. When I removed them and reloaded the pirate stuff that came with the machine it runs smoothly but does nothing its supposed to do. The Vendor gave me a settings file saying this would fix it. All it did was make the spindle look like it was going in the right direction on the screen but move in the opposite direction and hit the limit switch! the drawing looks right in Sketchup, fusion 360 and Vcarve. Load the gcodes into Planet's software and it looks upside down.

    You have a different controller. I remember seeing one like yours in an older Ebay listing. The guy selling me the Masso said he gets a call a week from people having the same issues I have. The manufacturer sends these machines to Australia by the container load and then has lots of Chinese sellers advertise them for him. Never an Australian. They don't last long but there is always another one turns up using the same pictures, same price, Same free delivery from Sydney, same worthless guarantee. Customs in Australia are red hot in counterfeit goods. If the people at Planet really did own the controller board design they'd only need to write to customs and the whole shipment would be confiscated.
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    Thanks for helping.
    Ryadia



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    Default Re: New as in old is new again!

    Hi KHOUJ
    That mains filter in photo 3 should have an earth connection!

    Hi Ryadia
    the spindle look like it was going in the right direction on the screen but move in the opposite direction and hit the limit switch!
    Then maybe you have the direction reversed on the motor. Can you fix that?

    Cheers
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    Default Re: New as in old is new again!

    None of this is Planet CNC's fault, or responsibility.

    Hopefully, the Masso works well for you. Please let us know how it works, and if there are any issues with it. Lots of people have considered it, but there's not much user feedback available.

    Gerry

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    Default Re: New as in old is new again!

    Quote Originally Posted by RCaffin View Post
    Hi KHOUJ
    That mains filter in photo 3 should have an earth connection!
    Roger
    Nope were not using earth ground here sir, it`s OK if the power company`s transmission lines all the way down to the household service drop have an earth ground, but if it`s not then we have a huge problem when lightning strikes, that means if I put an earth ground on the CNC machines then if lightning strikes on the electrical grid, the machines with an earth ground wires will be fried and toasted I tried it in some communication systems here in our place and it`s not good, (I fried a repeater once) maybe in the US, europe, japan electrical standards that`s OK but here in the philippines it`s not really advisable sir rather it`s dangerous. It could burn your house if the lightning strikes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryadia View Post
    There you go again... Addressing my DAD !

    That looks nothing like my boards.New as in old is new again!-view-3-jpg
    New as in old is new again!-view-1-jpgNew as in old is new again!-card-alone-jpg

    For my email address use my name at my name .com.au
    I'm pleased to hear you are making money out of your machine. Mine behaves like its got a ratchet on the stepper motors stopping and starting as if the pulse rate is all wrong ever since I updated the Planet software and driver. When I removed them and reloaded the pirate stuff that came with the machine it runs smoothly but does nothing its supposed to do. The Vendor gave me a settings file saying this would fix it. All it did was make the spindle look like it was going in the right direction on the screen but move in the opposite direction and hit the limit switch! the drawing looks right in Sketchup, fusion 360 and Vcarve. Load the gcodes into Planet's software and it looks upside down.

    You have a different controller. I remember seeing one like yours in an older Ebay listing. The guy selling me the Masso said he gets a call a week from people having the same issues I have. The manufacturer sends these machines to Australia by the container load and then has lots of Chinese sellers advertise them for him. Never an Australian. They don't last long but there is always another one turns up using the same pictures, same price, Same free delivery from Sydney, same worthless guarantee. Customs in Australia are red hot in counterfeit goods. If the people at Planet really did own the controller board design they'd only need to write to customs and the whole shipment would be confiscated.
    New as in old is new again!-6040-router-4-axis-jpg

    Thanks for helping.
    Ryadia
    Basically we have the same controller bro, Toshiba TB6560, that`s what I wanna know, mine is the vertical version but still a Toshiba TB6560 chips, they just put it like a riser type with plug-in sockets to conserve space, so we have the same weakness, if that chip heats up above 60 celsius that`s where instabilities appear, so if I were you, modify it to have a FAN or install a larger heatsink with fan to avoid head aches in the future.

    Edit: I just shared it to your email to get you started, your controller is more complex and expensive than mine because it had a built-in RPM display on the spindle, digital manual controls, mine only use a potentiometer 100K for the spindle speed variation. I just noticed yours had a manual Z knob bro, mine does`nt have that, it`s very useful when manual zeroing all the axis, it`s quite a hassle for me to zero the machine because I need to put the jog to 2% to zero the Z-axis on the jig, unlike with a manual Z-knob you can zero the Z on-the-fly it`s either on the material or on the jig, maybe in the near future im gonna request for a stepper motor that had a built-in Z-knob, machining gun parts is a very hassle thing to do without the Z-knob

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    Default Re: New as in old is new again!

    Hi Jerry,
    We could argue back and forth all night about who is responsible for tying the licensing of software to what may be a counterfeit board but until Planet tell me the board is positively a counterfeit, neither of us is right. I do know that the manual I got is a doctored, cut down version of Planet's manual and all reference to Planet has been removed. That is illegal under Australian and US copyright law. As for the rest? Let's see what planet says. I'll be the first one to call customs to have the entire shipment confiscated if it has any illegally copied electronics in it. I should know by Tuesday.

    Hi Rcaffin,
    Sure I can change wires around but that will not solve the issue of inaccurate XY travel and stop with a ratchet noise every 4 inches or so. That only happens when I use current version software I got from Planet. It runs OK in X and Y when I go back to the Chinese supplied software. From what I can glean about the Mk1 controller board, it lacks enough power capabilities for the latest software I suspect the message to "Update the firmware" is planted there to test the controller board and report back to Planet. Considering the behaviour when I use the current software, it's highly likely the manufacturer has re-written some of the software. Question mark about that legality.

    I've got two issues going here. I'm getting advice about counterfeit controllers when tonight is the first time I've shown pictures of the board to any one. There is Chinese writing in the suspected pirate software. On the other issue, I've just spent my holiday pay on a Masso controller and I'm trying to get my head around the documentation before it arrives. I have to wire the machine into it. I've sent photos to Planet in the hope I'll give me positive Identification before calling customs. Not to mention I bought this machine without paying 10% GST on it. The importer is responsible for collecting that tax. But that's OK, it's his problem, not mine. We'll see by Tuesday whether or not Chapter 2 of this waste of time saga gets written.

    I'm going to bed!



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