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    Default New here and to lasers

    I am thinking of starting my own cottage industry. I know I can make money with lasers, especially combined with my woodworking. I have done some research and found out a few things.

    Looking for input if I am on the right track.

    I would like the following:

    -either50 or 60watt would be sufficient for now
    -ability to engrave photos
    -3D would be a nice feature too, but not critical right now
    -rotary attachment
    -looking for a machine with a ceramic composite tube instead of purely glass
    -a table size of about 24X20.

    So far after my research I am leaning towards either the Epilog Helix or a Legacy Laser X500. Either one is roughly the same price of about $12 plus the extras

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    Default Re: New here and to lasers

    I just finished being where you are. Thanks to folks here on the forum, I settled on a Rabbit Laser. It was just installed by the folks from Rabbit Laser It is the 6040 model with a 60 watt laser. I am now diving into photos and we will see how that goes. I really like the laser and I looked at a whole bunch of them from Epilog, Boss, Universal, etc.



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    Default Re: New here and to lasers

    Hello Friends,
    would you like to consider G.WEIKE laser ? Fiber laser cutting machine, Metal laser cutting machine - G.Weike

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewfieDan View Post
    I am thinking of starting my own cottage industry. I know I can make money with lasers, especially combined with my woodworking. I have done some research and found out a few things.

    Looking for input if I am on the right track.

    I would like the following:

    -either50 or 60watt would be sufficient for now
    -ability to engrave photos
    -3D would be a nice feature too, but not critical right now
    -rotary attachment
    -looking for a machine with a ceramic composite tube instead of purely glass
    -a table size of about 24X20.

    So far after my research I am leaning towards either the Epilog Helix or a Legacy Laser X500. Either one is roughly the same price of about $12 plus the extras


    Lucy Lee G.WEIKE LASER
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewfieDan View Post
    I am thinking of starting my own cottage industry. I know I can make money with lasers, especially combined with my woodworking. I have done some research and found out a few things.

    Looking for input if I am on the right track.

    I would like the following:

    -either50 or 60watt would be sufficient for now
    -ability to engrave photos
    -3D would be a nice feature too, but not critical right now
    -rotary attachment
    -looking for a machine with a ceramic composite tube instead of purely glass
    -a table size of about 24X20.

    So far after my research I am leaning towards either the Epilog Helix or a Legacy Laser X500. Either one is roughly the same price of about $12 plus the extras
    If you think 60W will be sufficient, you should probably go 80W

    $12k is a heck of a lot to drop on a maybe... if it was me (it was, once) I would go for a good-quality, good reputation Chinese unit for 1/5 of what you are paying. If business is good, upgrade as necessary. If it craps out, you can sell the laser for close what you paid.

    I am in the decision stage of buying a new laser which has been pretty much paid for by working my crappy old hybrid no-name 40W Blue Box to a nub. I upgraded the controller from the POS Chinese one and it was a different machine - easy to do and <$100 well spent.

    24x20 is around 510x610 - you could get a decent Chinese 6090 (900x600 or 35"x24") for under $2k, delivered with the accessories you mentioned. If business takes off, keep the 6090 set up for engraving and get a higher-powered big table unit for cutting, and still save $6k



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    The cost of a glass CO2 laser is about 5% of the cost of a ceramic core laser ofvthe same power.

    I think, starting off with zero laser business under your belt you would be better off with a glass CO2 tube - at that price you can easily afford to hold spares.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zootalaws View Post
    24x20 is around 510x610 - you could get a decent Chinese 6090 (900x600 or 35"x24") for under $2k, delivered with the accessories you mentioned. If business takes off, keep the 6090 set up for engraving and get a higher-powered big table unit for cutting, and still save $6k
    You will not get a decent 6090 for under $2K.



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    Quote Originally Posted by epilotdk View Post
    You will not get a decent 6090 for under $2K.
    That depends on what you consider 'decent', but yes, at $2k it will be a cheapo one.

    For $3.5k, $8.5k less than the unit he was considering, you can get a very serviceable unit from a known supplier.



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    Default Re: New here and to lasers

    Epilog to a Legacy Laser is no comparison , you might get a small epilog for 12k 40 watts small table you won't get 60 watts and a 12 x24 for that .
    You can get a real nice Rabbit laser 60 or 80 watts for well under 10 with a 14x24 engarving area, and have great USA support and supplies . They will come set it up and teach you how to run it.60 watts is plenty for engraving and will cut up to 1/4 inch BB plywood no problem.Im my opinion Rabbit lasers are the best built Chinese lasers around. You won't get a better deal for the money.



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    I've looked at a lot of lasers... I've had customers buy Epilog and various Chinese units and being that they are mostly printers or stamp makers, they are happy using Corel and treating it like a windows printer, so they aren't doing much in the way of boundary pushing or experimenting.

    But really, after looking inside, I can't see why an Epilog costs $17K for an A3 bed machine. There just doesn't seem to be the guts to justify those prices. Sure they have nice drivers and servos and tubes, I'm sure they have great support, good manuals, spares availability, etc., but for me I will take a good machine at $3-4K with spotty or non-existent on-site support over a $12k machine with a dealer network and pay myself to do my servicing.

    Which isn't to denigrate Epilog - they make fine machines, built with a lot of Chinese-made componentry, but packaged very well.

    I think they are like the old days of computing where IBM used to charge whatever they wanted until Compaq came along and made them compete, and they made a lot of money stressing 'American made', but the reality was that the $20,000 IBM PC sitting on my desk was 5% parts cost, 95% organisation. When the NEC machines came out the incumbents spent a lot of time telling us how bad the quality and such was from Japan, but the reality was they were better, faster and cheaper and by that time we had a 'Computer Department' that could handle most things.

    I see the laser industry the same - for 20 years it has been the preserve of the west, and companies like Epilog have really set the bar, but consumers are now experienced enough, there's enough shared knowledge that IBM-style pricing is done.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zootalaws View Post
    The cost of a glass CO2 laser is about 5% of the cost of a ceramic core laser ofvthe same power.
    I think, starting off with zero laser business under your belt you would be better off with a glass CO2 tube - at that price you can easily afford to hold spares.
    Glass lasers are good enough for cutting but not for real engraving quality and speed.

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    Default Re: New here and to lasers

    Excellent points! I agree with you.



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    Default Re: New here and to lasers

    I agree and disagree.Chinese lasers engrave just fine but their not as fast as Trotec's or Epilogs.If you need high speen engraving then a western machine is what you need. 3 to 5 times the cost of a good Chinese glass tube laser. If cutting and a little engraving is what your going to do a decent Chinese glass co2 laser will probably. work for you

    I see the op has not been back to see what advice has been offered. I see this all to often we the laser community answer and discuss all the posters question and he never bothers to return



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