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    Default Re: Glowforge, Too good to be true?

    It's vaporware at this point. I've been banned from their Facebook page for asking too many questions regarding shipping and comparing their models to units that already have what Glowforge features. Their social media page just features junk you can make with any laser engraver/cutter that doesn't require an internet connection.

    They had originally planned to ship over a year ago. Not one has shipped thus far. They've amassed close to $30,000,000 and have N O T H I N G

    You could buy close to 2,000 Epilogs with that.



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    I canceled my order a few months ago and went with a Chinese laser that was double the size. It was also cheaper, and I had it in less then a week from purchase.

    My reasons for canceling -
    - To many delays, I ordered on day 1, and at that time they gave the impression that units would be shipping in December. So at the time I had a glimmer of hope that I would have it by Christmas last year.
    - Wifi only, they claimed it was to late to change the mold shortly after the preorder was completed. So they could not even add a Ethernet port, which the prototypes had?
    - They still to this day have yet to show that they can actually cut a part on side 1, flip it over, and line up the cuts perfectly. To me this was a big selling point.
    - No cooling on the basic, and locked down so you can not add one your self.
    - Very short warranty, if I remember right the basic was 3 months while the pro was 6. They might have been double that, either way I was not happy with that.
    - 12x20 work area, meaning every piece of stock you buy will need 4 inches trimmed off one end.
    - Very limtied Z travel/range.
    - The stupid graphics around the start button are not aligned with the start button!!!! It was like this from day one, and even after all of their delays they could not fix this?
    - No plans to add basic cad/geometry/text functions to their cutting software. So if you scan a image and want a perfect circle cut around it, you will have to do that using other software first.
    - And my last issue was with the way Dan would not talk about several topics. And hold back details on all of the delays. I know that its hard to put a timeline on a problem. But if you are having problems that you can not fix in a weeks time, let the backers know.

    My Chinese laser has been great so far, and I can tweak various settings with the supplied software. I feel like this machine will have better parts support in the long term as well. So unless you need someone to hold your hand with a laser cutter, I would look at other machines.

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    I'm one of those that pre-ordered a Pro+filter unit a year ago last October and have been following the GF forum since then. I can't say if it would be a good buy with any authority as I've no laser experience at all but it could be a pretty good turnkey unit for the money. You might also check out Full Spectrum's new Muse laser which is supposed to be released this month with some similar features. GF is supposed to make an official statement by the end of this month regarding shipping status, but as things stand now, all of the pre-orders as of October 2015 are supposed to ship by 12/31 this year and any orders since then are to ship *by* March 31, 2017.

    They now have something like 10 or 12 beta units in the field, all around Seattle and those testers have been periodically posting pictures of their projects in the GF forum so at least the product seems to have basic functionality, but some of the more advanced software features are still being tweaked. The pass-through on the Pro is limited[*] to 1/4-in or 1/2-in thick material (I forget which) and the Air Filter is apparently not ready yet and will ship some time in 2016. They planned to ship a larger group of beta or production printers out in late November or early December, and rumor has it these will be shipped to areas outside Seattle to check for issues with shipping. They've also announced that the units are being built here in the States, which might be good for factory maintenance or spare supply.

    I'd wait for the GF announcement next week to decide on a purchase and see what that reveals. The week or so delay in deciding shouldn't make much difference in when you receive the cutter/engraver and you'll be able to make a more informed decision. FWIW, they've been refunding purchase price for any pre-order buyers that got tired of waiting and want out and have said that buyers can do that until they get the shipping email. I don't know if that policy applies to people that buy today so check with GF if that is important to you.
    [*] Several buyers have already stated their intention to hack the bottom of the GF to allow for pass-through of thicker material though it is not clear how difficult or feasible that will be.



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    Default Re: Glowforge, Too good to be true?

    seriously people you still don't get it , delays delays and more delays. this laser is a toy at real laser cost, you can have a real laser bigger ,better and lots more power in a week or less, yet you waste almost 2 years waiting for a toy that you will be disappointed with. unbeliveable



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    Default Re: Glowforge, Too good to be true?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeC8 View Post
    I ordered one...
    MikeC8, I am 100% sure you did throw your money out.

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    Default Re: Glowforge, Too good to be true?

    If they are still beta testing that is a Red flag, over a years delay red flag, not answering simple questions red flag, kicking members of a facebook group for asking questions. They don't know there product.

    you can make a laser for next to nothing, it's not rock sciences.

    get your money back.

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    Default Re: Glowforge, Too good to be true?

    I think they spent all of their money on marketing. They'll have to crowd fund again to afford production.

    I know with crowd funding, you're essentially funding an idea with hopes that they have experience with manufacturing and can deliver. You're seeing everything behind the scenes from inception to production rather than a company that just releases a product that they spent years perfecting and fabricating.

    I hope that most of the users who are buying them realize that you can't just start the job and walk away...especially if they have these sitting somewhere in their home. All that plastic will go up in flames very, very quickly.



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    Default Re: Glowforge, Too good to be true?

    OK, so what laser cutter have those of you with the strong negative opinions on Glowforge bought and what did it cost? Are you comparing the Glowforge to the Chinese imports or to name brands like Full Spectrum, Universal Laser and Epilog?

    I'm not sure why folks are so bent out of shape with how others spend their money.



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    Default Re: Glowforge, Too good to be true?

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelHenry View Post
    I'm not sure why folks are so bent out of shape with how others spend their money.
    I suspect the resentment is less about how others spend their money and much more about how these shysters are getting people to throw that money at them when there's no product, no sign of a product, and the product they're promising is very, very expensive for what it does compared to cheap commercial units.

    Couple of epilogs at work that have just done their thing, been great machines.



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    Default Re: Glowforge, Too good to be true?

    dharmic that's correct, the beta should have finished before they started the kickstarter.

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    Default Re: Glowforge, Too good to be true?

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelHenry View Post
    OK, so what laser cutter have those of you with the strong negative opinions on Glowforge bought and what did it cost? Are you comparing the Glowforge to the Chinese imports or to name brands like Full Spectrum, Universal Laser and Epilog?

    I'm not sure why folks are so bent out of shape with how others spend their money.

    I've started with a K40 ($291) and have purchased a AWC708C plus ($415) and three Gecko Drive G201X's ($310) and a Light Object Powered Z Table ($195). I haven't bought different optics, accessories, etc -- but I figure by the time I'm done, I'll be well over $1,600+.

    I certainly don't expect the Glowforge or any other Chinese imports to perform like an Epilog. When you buy an Epilog, you're buying an RF CO2 laser (as opposed to HV glass tube) and their software. The machine is almost ready to go out of the box. With the ones we have (or built), we have to either reengineer or build our own...figure out the software and have lots of trial and errors.

    I'll have a proper chiller for my K40 by the time I'm done. What does the Glowforge have to cool its tube, radiators and a fan? I don't have to depend on a cloud based service to use my machine.

    I think their concept is great. It enables people to get into this for not too much money...but I think there will be challenges for those who try to use it. It's no different than my FlashForge Creator Pro 3D printer. I've had loads of failed prints, so I had to experiment before I got it right...and that took hours. I think it'll be frustrating to people. They market it like it's a three step process (buy it, load your material and you're done). It's not that easy. It's just not.


    Not everyone is willing to (or capable of) tinkering with mechanical and electrical components like we are in this community. They'll expect it to work flawlessly forever. Just my opinion.



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    Default Re: Glowforge, Too good to be true?

    I have a GWeike that I bought for about the same money but I have been using it to make money not like the Glowforge that no one has yet. Mine has a steel case and I can run it even without internet.



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