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    I got hired two weeks ago at a CNC shop with no experience. I thought I would try to learn as much about machining and how things are produced. This shop does more prototypes and reverse engineering than production, but does some very small production runs of say 20-100 pieces.

    So I've been working in the shop cleaning and loading machines every now and then or doing other small assembly tasks. I've put in about 60 hours into the shop. A few days ago a high volume production job came in of four thousand pieces. The boss (a machinist with decades of experience) paired me up with a guy with one year of experience on a cnc machine to do this job. The one year guy set up the tooling and everything and only needed me to load the machine and check the parts produced.

    In showing me how to check the parts he told me what to watch for more or less. He focused on two of the edges and had me check for burrs (I wasn't familiar with the term before this job). So fine. I get a few hundred done in a few hours and they start to come out slightly burred or what I think is a burr. The one year guy says they're fine but to rub the burrs off. Fine. A few hundred more and it's worse so he changes the inserts for me. I then go on to produce about a thousand and every few hundred or so checking in with some coworkers. They say they're acceptable. I was prompted to check with them because they looked a little ragged to me.

    Finally, the boss comes over and looks at them and explodes. What does this look like to you?? Etc, etc. Just totally pissed and losing his temper. He berates me for not keeping track of the order in which they were produced and how I must be an idiot for not recognizing the burred edges. (The parts are smaller than a quarter.) He goes on to say that he questions even now the judgement of the coworkers I asked, just really walking around madly looking like he wants to hit something. It made me nervous as hell. I had never gotten that impression from him as someone hotheaded.

    Anyway, he tells me to take a break. When I come back he brings me back to the machine and speaking loudly and very slowly tells me to check with him only, etc. We lost a few hundred from the run (3 hours of work), parts with a low profit margin.

    At the end of the day some coworkers apologized to me and also told me that he has a bad temper to the point of throwing things, beating up defective parts, calling people retarded, stupid, and getting into yelling matches with other managers and sometimes even kicking everyone out of the shop and closing it for the day (about 30 full-time employees).

    How to deal with this?

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    Two options:

    1. Grow a thick skin so you can stand there and let his tirade wash over you without affecting your calm. Pick out the good information he has (if there is any) and ignore the rest.

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    2. Leave.

    I've worked for guys like that before and they never change. I've never been able to cope with that kind of abuse and don't believe I should have to so, if I cop a spray like that and it's undeserved, I walk out and find another job. If that's an option for you, tell him to jam it and walk out the door.



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    Thank you. I like both options. Maybe his temper is why he has no long-term employees.



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    Huh....tell him to go get fu##ked and look for another job.......otherwise you'll be eating sh!t all your life.......with the small amount of CNC experience you now have at least you're on the bottom rung of the ladder.......you can't get any lower.
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    I like dharmic idea, if you ask a lot of old machinists they will say the same thing and have seen it, go watch tom liptons 100th episode he worked with one of those chuck your tool box around type's of person interesting story, you ever take it or leave,
    but don't let him push you away from the CNC trade or treat you like a dog you get good eggs and bad, and if you won't to protect your self have a recorder sitting in you pocket and if he start going of at you pull it out push record and put it back, if he has stones he will keep going if he's a prick he will walk away.
    the last person I worked for who did that I told them to F off and when't back to working next day same thing told him F off he got fired the next day.

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    You might want to stick around for a few more months if you can stand. That gives you time to learn a bit more of the trade and prospective employers are going to wonder why you only lasted 2 weeks at this job. It is almost *never* a good idea to mention the ill-tempered boss when applying for a new job - makes you look like a possible trouble employee.



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    The Gold comesup bright and pure under fire... Stay and learn as more as possible..your cooworkers seems to me good..they are also staying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by daniellyall View Post
    I like dharmic idea, if you ask a lot of old machinists they will say the same thing and have seen it, go watch tom liptons 100th episode he worked with one of those chuck your tool box around type's of person interesting story, you ever take it or leave,
    but don't let him push you away from the CNC trade or treat you like a dog you get good eggs and bad, and if you won't to protect your self have a recorder sitting in you pocket and if he start going of at you pull it out push record and put it back, if he has stones he will keep going if he's a prick he will walk away.
    the last person I worked for who did that I told them to F off and when't back to working next day same thing told him F off he got fired the next day.
    Thanks. I'll watch Tom's video. I think you're referring to his Meatloaf 100.

    I thought about the recorder too.

    His wife stops by the shop for short visits. He even scolded her and lost patience with her in front of all the employees. Scolding her about something. It was brief but noticeable. Everyone got quiet. He's the owner btw.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelHenry View Post
    You might want to stick around for a few more months if you can stand. That gives you time to learn a bit more of the trade and prospective employers are going to wonder why you only lasted 2 weeks at this job. It is almost *never* a good idea to mention the ill-tempered boss when applying for a new job - makes you look like a possible trouble employee.
    I love the work too.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelHenry View Post
    learn a bit more of the trade
    If you're going to be put in a position where you can learn, maybe - but if the boss is on a rampage all he might learn is how to sweep a shop floor.

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelHenry View Post
    prospective employers are going to wonder why you only lasted 2 weeks at this job.
    True. So never mention it. Leave it off your resume, forget it ever happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelHenry View Post
    It is almost *never* a good idea to mention the ill-tempered boss when applying for a new job - makes you look like a possible trouble employee.
    Very true - no matter what, you don't b itch about this guy in future jobs, be professional.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelHenry View Post
    You might want to stick around for a few more months if you can stand. That gives you time to learn a bit more of the trade
    Yeah, it's training by fire. I'm definitely not just sweeping up. He's not exactly patient and his explanations skip around but he is still showing me things. And the other employees too.



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    it's shows that you do have the get up and go you came here and asked for help, yep meatloaf 100.

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    Leave and never look back. Of course, it is best to find a new job first.



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    Hi....BTDT......never lick arse or look back......but you're potentially the same as a first year apprentice, so you might have to bend over to please the boss occasionally.....LOL.......you have to weigh up your self esteem abrasion to the knowledge you "might" get as he won't train you completely.

    The best you're going to get is a basic knowhow so time it right and move on....the grass is always greener on the other side.....BTDT too.
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    In the environment where the Boss has technical edge this things happen.. The Boss needs quality and you have to produce the quality work..thats all... Now if the boss giving you tips how to improve quality in machining then its a good sign... don't be disappointed as you are gaining the knowledge from the tough Boss, but, keep in mind you will always remember that guy in good words in the rest of your life no matter where you are...
    Go to the boss and ask him what irritate you... you must have balls of steel... Note all the things he discuss and try to never do these things....and if someday a bad happen that irritate your boss just say him 'Sir, i was just checking do you remember that thing irritate you or not"
    Furthermore, you can discuss any matter with your boss.. if you have shown the first piece to your boss he would have guided you and you wouldn't ruined too much part..always do your homework first and then discuss with your boss..he will be always happy...

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    All of the advice you have seen here is sound... The most important and basic thing to keep foremost in your mind is that your boss needs bang for his buck. He needs you to produce more money than your cost; it's simple cost/benefit. Deliver bang for his buck and you're good. You're not there to check your facebook, text your friend, ask for time off or raises or anything else that seems important to you. Your're there to make him money. That being said, small business owners are often ego-centric and like theirs stroked. Never bee seen as a bad influence or delivering bad news or acting counter to his wishes. As a bottom rung employee you must quickly learn to make good parts efficiently to succeed. Letting bad parts go through shows lack of attention to the company's goal of making money. Always believe that your pay comes not from a huge pot of money in a cloud, but from a bank account fed with business profits.
    All that being said; yes screaming bosses that disrespect even their wives cannot be tolerated. Learn what you can as long as you can stand his ****, then leverage the experience to move out and up.
    I say this from both sides of the fence. I now own my own CNC machine shop. I look back at things I believed and did before and wonder how I stayed employed. Now I try to motivate and train people to make me money. Have to check my emotions at time to always show strength and confidence.



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    This will happen again,and again, and again. You must do what is right for you, on your terms. I would say if you had started rejecting parts or stopping to fix the process, he would had still have gone off. It seem to me with other worker telling you the parts were OK the shop has no standard for good parts. I would start looking for another position but stay as long as pay and learning met my needs. As other have said you still need to give a 100% to the job.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Welder2022 View Post
    All of the advice you have seen here is sound... The most important and basic thing to keep foremost in your mind is that your boss needs bang for his buck. He needs you to produce more money than your cost; it's simple cost/benefit. Deliver bang for his buck and you're good. You're not there to check your facebook, text your friend, ask for time off or raises or anything else that seems important to you. Your're there to make him money. That being said, small business owners are often ego-centric and like theirs stroked. Never bee seen as a bad influence or delivering bad news or acting counter to his wishes. As a bottom rung employee you must quickly learn to make good parts efficiently to succeed. Letting bad parts go through shows lack of attention to the company's goal of making money. Always believe that your pay comes not from a huge pot of money in a cloud, but from a bank account fed with business profits.
    All that being said; yes screaming bosses that disrespect even their wives cannot be tolerated. Learn what you can as long as you can stand his ****, then leverage the experience to move out and up.
    I say this from both sides of the fence. I now own my own CNC machine shop. I look back at things I believed and did before and wonder how I stayed employed. Now I try to motivate and train people to make me money. Have to check my emotions at time to always show strength and confidence.
    Thank you for this perspective. This took me a long time to realize w/r/t employment in general. I decided to stay at the job but drop to part-time while I start a small business. My small business (unrelated to machining) is taking off. Nevertheless, I love machining at this point and have no plans to stop. Besides, having multiple income streams is a smart move towards independence.

    He has not lost his temper with me since those times during my first two months of full-time work. He certainly seems to have lost some patience sometimes or seems to be annoyed with some of my inquiries, but I can deal with that. He's an older, skilled, all-around machinist it seems, and I've learned a tremendous amount. I'm not necessarily mechanically inclined nor is blue-collar work in my background (nor my family's).

    I've bought a couple of measuring tools thus far: a caliper and a micrometer. And some thread gages. I use these tools routinely at the shop. Although I can use the shop's tools I thought it would convey my serious interest and dedication by acquiring my own stuff.

    It turns out the ill-tempered boss sort of jokes about his temper with the employees. So he's aware of it. Unfortunately, he seems to take some pride in being intimidating and having this manner. I guess it scares the youngins, but to me it's silly and I think it backfires as a training method or in setting a good work atmosphere. Further, employees walk on eggshells and so are scared to be open and take chances by using their judgement or even outwardly thinking through possibilities. It seems to sort of keep employees dependent on him for approval. The employees do not seem to have much confidence.

    In any case, I've toughened up to it a bit. One thing that's helped a lot is picking up a textbook on machining. I read it for 30 minutes at a time four days a week and I complete all of the end-of-chapter exercises. This way I learn the jargon, the methods of thinking, and technical details. Plus it gives me a reference. At work I've been keeping a small notebook in my pocket and pencil to write down procedures or anything I want to look up later or review. So the book is there as a resource without me having to ask every time.

    Since I have another source of income now I'm not afraid to walk off if needed. If he explodes I can just say I'm going to take a break and not be concerned about hours or if he fires me. The extra income is like having "f* you money" from that movie The Gambler.

    I love machining now. No one person will determine my life.



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    Hi John. Found your little thread.

    You're fired.



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    Hiiiiii John, .....I guess you should have bent over backwards occasionally for the boss's son too.,......now you gonna have to work 16 hours a day on your own products just to make ends meet, and that doesn't include a pension plan, holidays (any) or overtime rates and toilet breaks in your tea break are once a day if ever......also, a heated workshop in Winter is non existent......you have a lot to learn....sigh.
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