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    Leave and never look back. Of course, it is best to find a new job first.



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    Hi....BTDT......never lick arse or look back......but you're potentially the same as a first year apprentice, so you might have to bend over to please the boss occasionally.....LOL.......you have to weigh up your self esteem abrasion to the knowledge you "might" get as he won't train you completely.

    The best you're going to get is a basic knowhow so time it right and move on....the grass is always greener on the other side.....BTDT too.
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    In the environment where the Boss has technical edge this things happen.. The Boss needs quality and you have to produce the quality work..thats all... Now if the boss giving you tips how to improve quality in machining then its a good sign... don't be disappointed as you are gaining the knowledge from the tough Boss, but, keep in mind you will always remember that guy in good words in the rest of your life no matter where you are...
    Go to the boss and ask him what irritate you... you must have balls of steel... Note all the things he discuss and try to never do these things....and if someday a bad happen that irritate your boss just say him 'Sir, i was just checking do you remember that thing irritate you or not"
    Furthermore, you can discuss any matter with your boss.. if you have shown the first piece to your boss he would have guided you and you wouldn't ruined too much part..always do your homework first and then discuss with your boss..he will be always happy...

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    All of the advice you have seen here is sound... The most important and basic thing to keep foremost in your mind is that your boss needs bang for his buck. He needs you to produce more money than your cost; it's simple cost/benefit. Deliver bang for his buck and you're good. You're not there to check your facebook, text your friend, ask for time off or raises or anything else that seems important to you. Your're there to make him money. That being said, small business owners are often ego-centric and like theirs stroked. Never bee seen as a bad influence or delivering bad news or acting counter to his wishes. As a bottom rung employee you must quickly learn to make good parts efficiently to succeed. Letting bad parts go through shows lack of attention to the company's goal of making money. Always believe that your pay comes not from a huge pot of money in a cloud, but from a bank account fed with business profits.
    All that being said; yes screaming bosses that disrespect even their wives cannot be tolerated. Learn what you can as long as you can stand his ****, then leverage the experience to move out and up.
    I say this from both sides of the fence. I now own my own CNC machine shop. I look back at things I believed and did before and wonder how I stayed employed. Now I try to motivate and train people to make me money. Have to check my emotions at time to always show strength and confidence.



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    This will happen again,and again, and again. You must do what is right for you, on your terms. I would say if you had started rejecting parts or stopping to fix the process, he would had still have gone off. It seem to me with other worker telling you the parts were OK the shop has no standard for good parts. I would start looking for another position but stay as long as pay and learning met my needs. As other have said you still need to give a 100% to the job.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Welder2022 View Post
    All of the advice you have seen here is sound... The most important and basic thing to keep foremost in your mind is that your boss needs bang for his buck. He needs you to produce more money than your cost; it's simple cost/benefit. Deliver bang for his buck and you're good. You're not there to check your facebook, text your friend, ask for time off or raises or anything else that seems important to you. Your're there to make him money. That being said, small business owners are often ego-centric and like theirs stroked. Never bee seen as a bad influence or delivering bad news or acting counter to his wishes. As a bottom rung employee you must quickly learn to make good parts efficiently to succeed. Letting bad parts go through shows lack of attention to the company's goal of making money. Always believe that your pay comes not from a huge pot of money in a cloud, but from a bank account fed with business profits.
    All that being said; yes screaming bosses that disrespect even their wives cannot be tolerated. Learn what you can as long as you can stand his ****, then leverage the experience to move out and up.
    I say this from both sides of the fence. I now own my own CNC machine shop. I look back at things I believed and did before and wonder how I stayed employed. Now I try to motivate and train people to make me money. Have to check my emotions at time to always show strength and confidence.
    Thank you for this perspective. This took me a long time to realize w/r/t employment in general. I decided to stay at the job but drop to part-time while I start a small business. My small business (unrelated to machining) is taking off. Nevertheless, I love machining at this point and have no plans to stop. Besides, having multiple income streams is a smart move towards independence.

    He has not lost his temper with me since those times during my first two months of full-time work. He certainly seems to have lost some patience sometimes or seems to be annoyed with some of my inquiries, but I can deal with that. He's an older, skilled, all-around machinist it seems, and I've learned a tremendous amount. I'm not necessarily mechanically inclined nor is blue-collar work in my background (nor my family's).

    I've bought a couple of measuring tools thus far: a caliper and a micrometer. And some thread gages. I use these tools routinely at the shop. Although I can use the shop's tools I thought it would convey my serious interest and dedication by acquiring my own stuff.

    It turns out the ill-tempered boss sort of jokes about his temper with the employees. So he's aware of it. Unfortunately, he seems to take some pride in being intimidating and having this manner. I guess it scares the youngins, but to me it's silly and I think it backfires as a training method or in setting a good work atmosphere. Further, employees walk on eggshells and so are scared to be open and take chances by using their judgement or even outwardly thinking through possibilities. It seems to sort of keep employees dependent on him for approval. The employees do not seem to have much confidence.

    In any case, I've toughened up to it a bit. One thing that's helped a lot is picking up a textbook on machining. I read it for 30 minutes at a time four days a week and I complete all of the end-of-chapter exercises. This way I learn the jargon, the methods of thinking, and technical details. Plus it gives me a reference. At work I've been keeping a small notebook in my pocket and pencil to write down procedures or anything I want to look up later or review. So the book is there as a resource without me having to ask every time.

    Since I have another source of income now I'm not afraid to walk off if needed. If he explodes I can just say I'm going to take a break and not be concerned about hours or if he fires me. The extra income is like having "f* you money" from that movie The Gambler.

    I love machining now. No one person will determine my life.



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    Hi John. Found your little thread.

    You're fired.



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    Hiiiiii John, .....I guess you should have bent over backwards occasionally for the boss's son too.,......now you gonna have to work 16 hours a day on your own products just to make ends meet, and that doesn't include a pension plan, holidays (any) or overtime rates and toilet breaks in your tea break are once a day if ever......also, a heated workshop in Winter is non existent......you have a lot to learn....sigh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfish View Post
    He has not lost his temper with me since those times during my first two months of full-time work. He certainly seems to have lost some patience sometimes or seems to be annoyed with some of my inquiries, but I can deal with that. He's an older, skilled, all-around machinist it seems, and I've learned a tremendous amount.
    Sounds like an old school boss to me.

    Good job toughing it out, keep it up. You are in a good position to learn a valuable trade from the ground up, so to speak, and at least you are getting to do the real work instead of just cleaning up the chips.

    Your boss knows your capabilities, I am sure, but he probably believes that you will learn quicker if he holds your feet to the fire instead of coddles you. Unpleasant, but if you survive the process you will be a better man for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by greenfish View Post
    At work I've been keeping a small notebook in my pocket and pencil to write down procedures or anything I want to look up later or review. So the book is there as a resource without me having to ask every time
    You have already picked up a valuable tool that many apprentices today never learn. You can't expect you brain to remember everything. Your boss seeing you using your "pocket brain" or "wheel book" probably tells him that you are really trying to learn your trade, and will encourage him to be less reticent in imparting his decades of experience to you. Nobody wants to try to teach someone who already thinks he knows it all.... or can remember it all easily,

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    Self-respect and Self-esteem must be taken care of to get the work done timely and efficiently (productivity increases). You must tell this to your boss...

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    If you really secure with yourself stay awhile and learn. Pay attention to details about how his attitude makes thing worse and possibly loseing money. When the time is right tell him his anger is losing him employees and money and he go angry go see it. Tell him you can help make things better but he has to work on his attitude and anger. Show him how he is losing money. Then let him have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelHenry View Post
    You might want to stick around for a few more months if you can stand. That gives you time to learn a bit more of the trade and prospective employers are going to wonder why you only lasted 2 weeks at this job. It is almost *never* a good idea to mention the ill-tempered boss when applying for a new job - makes you look like a possible trouble employee.
    Ditto, I worked at a control panel plant right before college, I was only there for 4 months between high school and college, so they didn't want to train me on a lot. I did some plate layout, operated a broom, and engraved/applied 1000's of those little colored engraved plastic tags. The foreman was, not exactly a hothead, but he was very competent, expected a lot, and didn't tolerate avoidable screw-ups.

    In the first week I learned to anticipate as many questions as I could, and the first moment something didn't go the way he explained it to be done, or seemed like it might not be right I asked him. I could tell he was a little annoyed at times to have to stop and clarify, but he liked that instead of 400 slightly off center tags.

    I agree stick it out, even if it's a nightmare hang on for a few months. If I gave an interview to a greenhorn who sat at a job for two weeks and left because the boss is hard, an got the story I'd come to this conclusion... Boss is tough yes, you're thin skinned or avoid conflict, wanted the opinion of someone who didn't matter instead of asking the boss (paradoxically afraid to screw up) if the part was acceptable. 10 minutes lost time on the run is worth the potential avoidance of 3 hours rework, matl. and spindle time. He may have a hard time understanding that, he might even be frustrated that you are "wasting his time" instead of just finishing the work. In my experience though, if you can demonstrate that those questions increase your knowledge, and you can start anticipating things he's looking for and doing a better job than he expects he'll see that you ask a question for a purpose, not just to kill some of the workday.

    Good luck!



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