I setup and program gt75 lathes and recently started using bobcad v23. With a little bit of training I started getting pretty good result's. Of course I can't do live tooling with bobcad, but so far the live tool operation's I've had to do on the omniturn's haven't been so difficult that I needed cad cam for them anyway. Just wanted to say the bobcad has allowed me to do some pretty elaborate stuff pretty quickly. I just wish there was a post for the omniturn's, I've been using a haas pp and editing the nc file for the omniturn.