Problem- Tool changer & MPG not working

[Zoner]

Please help, urgent...

On careless advice, lost params & macros with DEL/RESET. Reloaded CNC params but...

1. Toolchange carousel (20 tools) not working, even from panel buttons.

Should the carousel work once a toolchange macro is installed?

If yes, which toolchange macro should I try for this 20-tool magazine please?

If no, how can I troubleshoot the carousel and which commands might help me to energise it directly?

2. MPG handset not working - "HNDL" is displayed on selecting it but no movement.

Have set obvious parameters in list 27 at front of Parameters manual.

Is there any other obscure param I missed that would activate the MPG?

Should I select Specification A, or B, or does it not matter as we have only 1 MPG?

Very many thanks in advance, for any help at all.

[underthetire]

Machine side parameters, and you need to post what you got.

[Zoner]

Thanks underthetire...

What do you want to see, and how do I get it out for you pls?

[underthetire]

What brand machine? What type? ATC is always up to the builder, not the control builder.

[Zoner]

Ah, it's a Kryle VMC700F, Vertical Machining Centre?

It's got a two-axis table and a tool spindle on the Z(vertical) axis, with the 20-tool autochanger, just a rotary umbrella thing that rotates to bring a tool slot in line with the spindle and then travels out under the spindle by pneumatic pressure so the spindle can either pull up off the current tool once it's clipped into the empty slot, or load another one by descending onto the tool and the carousel pulls back.

And the Manual Pulse Generator was working before too, we only had these problems since the CNC Parameters and the toolchange macro were wiped (Power-on with DEL-RESET) so I don't think it's a fault, or do you think it could be?

[f-bu]

Have you entered PMC parameters - keep relays, timers, counters & datas after initializing?

[Zoner]

Unfortunately we had only a listing of params 0001-9899.

We put these in again.

But we also lost the toolchange macro, O9001.

There are still values in Diagnostic params but we don't know if they are correct.

We did a power on with RESET-DEL, what would this delete?

[underthetire]

Never even heard of that one. There are machine side parameters (PMC) that you must enter. They are not with the 0-9999 parameters, different page. If you don't have them you will need to find them or the machine will never work again.

[Al_The_Man]

Power on RESET-DEL with PWE=1 clears the whole memory
Power on RESET PWE=1 clears parameters
Power on DELETE with PWE=1 clears programs.
Al.

[stevo1]

Zoner,
I got your PM.

As Al has already stated with the RESET-DEL you have cleared all of your programs so that is why you lost your 9001 macro program. So this will have to either be rewritten which we can do in a very basic fashion to get you doing tool changes and add whatever you may want. Or if you can get it from the MTB that would be better.

It sounds as if you have your parameters and or option parameters set incorrectly when you were reloading them. Did you have to load them by hand or do you have an electronic copy of them that you downloaded via RS232? It is very easy to mess them up when loading by hand. I have never been able to bat 100 when doing that so I would start there. You also could maybe have an old copy that was not current with how the machine was when you lost them.

First thing we need to know is what model Fanuc control are you using???

Stevo

[Zoner]

Thank you guys, we're in deep trouble.

OK it's a Fanuc 0MF.

We had only an old printout of the params 0001-9899, we keyed them in by hand. I have a backup copy on the PC now so once we solve it we'll have good backups too.

I can recheck those tomorrow by hand, Steveo.

But we don't have the Diagnose params listing, many do have values but we have nothing to check them against to see if they are correct. During playing with them I note that many can't be changed, only a few?

I set diag param 383.0=1 today and found the 4th axis jog keys on the axis console worked on the carousel after a power-off-on, but this is not a normal tool step, the carousel turns smoothly through all degrees and the tool slot is no longer aligned with the spindle! So I turned it off again, we'll have to re-index it once we get it going and get to know how to re-index too!

Should I get a proper carousel tool-position step by loading a new toolchange macro and setting up the parm that points the M6 to O9001? I forget which one it is but I will find it.

Or do we need to re-enter all the tool entries too?

Or do we still need some diagnose params to be set, which we don't have?

Still waiting for Fanuc UK to get back to us, they did reply that they should have our listings but are very busy (last week!).

As we have no contract we'll just have to wait our turn.

But please keep the suggestions coming, I am paying attention and will try anything, we are desperate to get the machine up again.
Thanks everyone.

[Al_The_Man]

You need the diagnose timer/counter values and also the 9000 macro's, these are from the MTB, not Fanuc.
The way to prevent the 9000 macro from being deleted in the future with part programs is to set P0010 bit #4 to 1, 0 allows editing and viewing.
Al.