Question on life of a machine

[jorgehrr]

Hi guys.

I have two questions:

- How old is your older CNC.
- Will you spend $12,000 on a machine repair.

My boss wants to junk a Miyano lathe BNC-34T Fanuc 0T, because he thinks is not worth to spend that much money rebuilding the turrets (2). Machine is about 20 years old. (makes about 70 different jobs)

Will you get it fix???
The rest of the machine looks pretty good.

I will appreciate your opinions.

Thank you

Jorge

[Al_The_Man]

The main deciding factors is, is the machine in sound condition mechanically?
If you have an older machines that are still supported by the manufacterer, such as Mazak and DahLih etc, then often the ability to purchase a machine built as solid as these machines were, is uncommon.
Today the use of linear slide ways etc, do not neccessarily make for a rigid sturdy machine.
The other factor is the state/make of the control, in the case of the Fanuc 0 it is/was a common model right up to quite recently.
Again, is the control manufacterer still in business and support the old control in the way of spares.
The larger the size and capacity of a machine, the greater the ratio between repair and replace.
IOW you would not neccessarily spend $12,000 on a knee mill retro-fit, but the same amount or a little more is not that great to retrofit a 40ft bed mill , who's replacement cost may be $1m.
Al.

[MITYDR]

Jorge
We're in the middle of this at our company as well. Old machines are great money makers! To a point, that is Our company is moving and have to decide on equipment to keep and equipment to let go. Then you have to factor in just like Al just stated), value of the equipment. I dont know what our old Mori-Seiki is worth, probably around 10 - 15K, plus another 5K in holders and pallets, but without it we pull in less $$$ and the other equipment has to take up the slack. A tech is on his way, will be at our shop on thursday, and will slap me with a pretty heavy bill, I'm sure. And at what piont do I say no more. I look at the over-all condition of the machine. No crashes, the way it's built (beefy), a pallet chager on the front. It would cost a heck of a lot to duplacate these capabilities. At this point, (I also have to calculate the cost of moving it), I think I'd spend $8k more to fix it. Just some stuff to knaw on for ya.
Good luck in what ever ya do.
Steve

[jorgehrr]

Thank you guys for your comments.

I was hopping I get the money to get it fix, but they told me

Is not worth it.

I completely disagree with this, but what do I know.


Thank you again.

Jorge

[Geof]

Originally Posted by jorgehrr Thank you guys for your comments. I was hopping I get the money to get it fix, but they told me Is not worth it. I completely disagree with this, but what do I know. Thank you again. Jorge

Maybe you can make a final appeal to the bean counters. Money spent on repairs can be totally deducted from current income but money spent on capital equipment has to be deducted over a period of years. Depending on how profitable the company is and what the tax rates are the $12,000 repair may only cost half that off the bottom line in the year it is done.

[Bluesman]

Originally Posted by jorgehrr Hi guys. I have two questions: - How old is your older CNC. - Will you spend $12,000 on a machine repair. My boss wants to junk a Miyano lathe BNC-34T Fanuc 0T, because he thinks is not worth to spend that much money rebuilding the turrets (2). Machine is about 20 years old. (makes about 70 different jobs) Will you get it fix??? The rest of the machine looks pretty good. I will appreciate your opinions. Thank you Jorge

So they are just going to scrap it??? Where you at I may come and take it off your hands



Bluesman