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    Default Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400

    Hello all, I am having some problems with my 4th axis installation. The rotary does not move!. I have checked the cables and there are no alarms on the controller. All 4th parameters from Doosan and table manufacturer are set. The clamping relay works and responds to M10/M11. I have sent parameter files to Fanuc, and they found no issues, all necessary cards are installed all options regarding 4th axis are open. The machine was prewired for 4th axis. Fanuc say I need to look in the PMC parameters to see if anything is wrong or missing. Any ideas what I should be looking for?

    Thanks for any advise!

    Best regards
    John

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    Default Re: Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400

    Try Keep Relay 8 bit 5 (4th Axis is used). Set to 1 .
    Hope this helps



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    Default Re: Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400

    In the ladder you have several conditions that need to be satisfied. G8.0 and G130.3 both must be on.These are coils in the ladder or parameter 3003. 0 & 2 to bypass these G bits. When you try to jog coil G100.3 for plus direction and coil G102.3 for the minus direction must be on when jogging. You can also check the SYSTEM Diagnosis page and while trying to jog see if any bits are set. They should all be zeros.



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    Default Re: Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400

    Hello Dale, thanks for your response! This parameter (Keep Relay 8 bit 5) is already OK! As are the other 4th axis PMC parameters in the blue Doosan book.



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    Default Re: Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400

    Hello drdos, thanks for your response! I'll have a look at it and see if that is the cure.



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    Default Re: Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400

    Hi motordude

    Try this lot .Maybe 1 has been missed out somewhere. Ignore the FSSB settings if you have already done that. Ignore 5th Axis parameters also.

    Hope this helps

    To be carried out in conjunction with blue parameter book and para sheet sent with axis

    1. Para 8130. Select 4, or 5 when required
    2. Keep relays K0.5 = 1, K8.5 = 1, K8.0 = 1, (K4.2 5th axis only)
    3. Power Down/Start.
    4. Para 3115-NDP = 0.
    5. Para 1020 = 4th = 65, 5th = 66
    6. Para 1023 4th = 4, 5th = 5
    7. Para 14343 = 4th = 3, 5th = 4
    8. Power Down/Start.
    9. Select system and press soft key till FSSB appears then select FSSB.... Insert/check 1, 2, 3, 4 then select SETTING.... select FSSB then AXIS, OPRT, SETTING... Power Down/Start.
    10. Para 2000 ensure at 0.
    11. Para 2020......enter motor ID code. These can be found in machine parameter blue book
    12. Power Down/Start.
    13. Then insert parameters as below:
    14. 0012#7 to 0
    15. 0981 to 1
    16. 1005#7 to 1
    17. 1006#0 to 1 also (1006#1 to 1, 1006#5 to 1, 5th tilt axis only)
    18. 1008#0 to 1
    19. 1020 check is at 4th = 65 5th = 66
    20. 1022 to 6
    21. 1260 to 360.000
    22. 1300#2 to 1
    23. 1320 to 999999, (100 for tilt axis only)
    24. 1321 to –999999, (-4 for tilt axis only)
    25. 1326 to 999999, (100 for tilt axis only)
    26. 1327 to –999999, (-4 for tilt axis only)
    27. 1420 to 8000
    28. 1421 to 400
    29. 1423 to 1000
    30. 1424 See Para sheet sent with axis... (3000)
    31. 1425 to 180
    32. 1428 See Para sheet sent with axis
    33. 1430 to 8000
    34. 1432 to 8000
    35. 1610#0 to 1
    36. 1620 to 150
    37. 1622 to same as x, y, z
    38. 1624 to 50
    39. 1625 to 10
    40. 1660 to same as x, y, z
    41. 1735 to same as x, y, z
    42. 1737 to same as x, y, z
    43. 1769 to same as x, y, z
    44. 1783 to same as x, y, z
    45. 1815#1 to 0
    46. 1819#0 to 1
    47. 1820 to 2
    48. 1821 See Para sheet sent with axis... usually 4000
    49. 1825 to 4000
    50. 1826 to 20
    51. 1827 to 10
    52. 1828 to 32767 See Para sheet sent with axis
    53. 1829 to 500
    54. 1832 to 2000
    55. 1850-1851 See Para sheet sent with axis (grid shift and backlash)
    56. 2003#3 and #5 to 1
    57. 2004#0 and #1 to 1
    58. 2005#1 and #6 to 1
    59. 2009#6 to 1
    60. 2021 to 128
    61. 2022 to 111 See Para sheet sent with axis
    62. 2023 to 8192
    63. 2024 to 12500
    64. 2069 to same as x, y, z
    65. 2083 to same as x, y, z
    66. 2084 to See Para sheet sent with axis (gear numerator, usually 4 possibly 3), this will become apparent when testing.
    67. 2085 to See Para sheet sent with axis (gear denominator, usually 1000)
    68. 2092 to same as x, y, z
    69. 2107 to 100
    70. 2144 to same as x, y, z
    71. 2145 to same as x, y, z
    72. 2202#1 to 1
    73. 2210 #5 and #6 to 1
    74. 2214#4 to 1
    75. 3153 check 4th axis has load metre
    76. carry out page 4 of axis parameters in blue book 13610/11695



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    Default Re: Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400

    Thanks a lot, Dale! I will try this out now. About your point 76 (carry out page 4 of axis parameters in blue book 13610/11695), I don't have this page! Only got 1,2 & 3. Any chance you may scan it and PM it to me? Many thanks for your help, very much appreciated.
    EDIT: I don`t understand this: 7. Para 14343 = 4th = 3, 5th = 4

    Best regards
    John

    Last edited by motordude; 09-14-2017 at 05:41 AM.


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    Default Re: Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400

    Quote Originally Posted by motordude View Post
    Thanks a lot, Dale! I will try this out now. About your point 76 (carry out page 4 of axis parameters in blue book 13610/11695), I don't have this page! Only got 1,2 & 3. Any chance you may scan it and PM it to me? Many thanks for your help, very much appreciated.
    EDIT: I don`t understand this: 7. Para 14343 = 4th = 3, 5th = 4

    Best regards
    John
    Hi John

    14343 is to do with FSSB setting which you should have already done . If so ignore this step.If not then FSSB setup motor ID is the first thing to do.

    Parameters 13610/11695 are to do with AICC and Machining condition select . Don't worry about these at the minute . See if the other parameters get the Axis Jogging.

    If it works I will get page 4 over to you .

    Hope this helps

    Dale



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    Default Re: Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400

    Quote Originally Posted by Dale123 View Post
    Hi John

    14343 is to do with FSSB setting which you should have already done . If so ignore this step.If not then FSSB setup motor ID is the first thing to do.

    Parameters 13610/11695 are to do with AICC and Machining condition select . Don't worry about these at the minute . See if the other parameters get the Axis Jogging.

    If it works I will get page 4 over to you .

    Hope this helps

    Dale
    Dale, thanks for this! Unfortunately there it still doesn't move!



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    Default Re: Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400

    Hi John

    What motor is in the 4th Axis ?



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    Default Re: Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400

    Quote Originally Posted by drdos View Post
    In the ladder you have several conditions that need to be satisfied. G8.0 and G130.3 both must be on.These are coils in the ladder or parameter 3003. 0 & 2 to bypass these G bits. When you try to jog coil G100.3 for plus direction and coil G102.3 for the minus direction must be on when jogging. You can also check the SYSTEM Diagnosis page and while trying to jog see if any bits are set. They should all be zeros.
    drdos, I have looked into this. G8.0 is on G130.3 is not (B.IT4). Do I turn G130.3 on in parameter 3003, and should 0 & 2 be set to 1 or 0? When I try to jog, coil G100.3 & G102.3 does not respond for the 4th axis. XYZ responds. How do I turn these on? Checking the system diagnosis while jogging shows all zeroes.

    Any advice would be much appreciated!

    Best regards
    John



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    Default Re: Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400

    Quote Originally Posted by Dale123 View Post
    Hi John

    What motor is in the 4th Axis ?
    Dale, it's a Beta iS 8/3000. Parameter 2020 is set to 259, so should be OK!



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    Default Re: Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400

    Quote Originally Posted by motordude View Post
    drdos, I have looked into this. G8.0 is on G130.3 is not (B.IT4). Do I turn G130.3 on in parameter 3003, and should 0 & 2 be set to 1 or 0? When I try to jog, coil G100.3 & G102.3 does not respond for the 4th axis. XYZ responds. How do I turn these on? Checking the system diagnosis while jogging shows all zeroes.

    Any advice would be much appreciated!

    Best regards
    John
    You must call up the ladder to view the G130.3 coil first and see why the coil isn't turning on. You will see contacts that must be highlighted that feed the G130.3 coil. Take a Picture of the rung and display it and maybe we can figure it out.



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    Default Re: Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400

    Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400-img_20170914_171625808-jpgFanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400-img_20170914_175607870-jpg

    drdos, here are some pics, but I am in my depths here, I have no experience with this. Is this what you are after? If not, could you please post a pic similar to what you are after. Thanks for your patience!

    Best regards
    JohnFanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400-img_20170914_190423047-jpgFanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400-img_20170914_185405237-jpg

    EDIT: I made a mistake:
    Setting parameter 3003.0 (ITL)=0 should give G0008.0 a 0. My machine gives a 1.
    Setting parameter 3003.2 (ITX)=0 should give signal G0130.n on all axes (B.ITX, B.ITY, B.ITZ & B.IT4.) There is no B.IT4 signal on my machine

    Last edited by motordude; 09-14-2017 at 02:38 PM.


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    Default Re: Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400

    You did great!. First, the parameter 3003 bit 0 = 1 states that the G8.0 coil isn't being looked at. 3003 bit 2 = 1 states that the G130's coils are not being looked at. However in your case the G8.0 coil "contact" is being used for a condition for the 4th axis jog command. So bypassing G8.0 with parameter 3003 won't help your problem. Looks like keep Relay K0.5 says that the other axes MUST be in an interlock state before allowing the 4th axis to jog. G8.0 must be off, but without parameter 3003 bit 0 set to a 1 you will never jog anyways. You can try turning off the Keep Relay bit (K0.5) and see if you can jog the 4th axis. (May become an issue in Auto). If it does then I will need to see pic of the ladder G8.0 while commanding the 4th axis to move.



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    Default Re: Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400

    Quote Originally Posted by drdos View Post
    You did great!. First, the parameter 3003 bit 0 = 1 states that the G8.0 coil isn't being looked at. 3003 bit 2 = 1 states that the G130's coils are not being looked at. However in your case the G8.0 coil "contact" is being used for a condition for the 4th axis jog command. So bypassing G8.0 with parameter 3003 won't help your problem. Looks like keep Relay K0.5 says that the other axes MUST be in an interlock state before allowing the 4th axis to jog. G8.0 must be off, but without parameter 3003 bit 0 set to a 1 you will never jog anyways. You can try turning off the Keep Relay bit (K0.5) and see if you can jog the 4th axis. (May become an issue in Auto). If it does then I will need to see pic of the ladder G8.0 while commanding the 4th axis to move.
    Thanks for the encouragement! I am not quite sure what you asked, so I set 3003 bit 0=0 and bit 2=0. Then I turned off the keep relay K0,5 (set to 0). I then got G0008 =1. I could not jog the axis. I am a little confused, in order to jog what should the 3003 0&2 be? Thanks for your help so far! I took at picture of the screen, when in MDI I get 1 in line 13, don't know if that is important. Turning the knob to job, line 13 is 0.Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400-img_20170915_173549929-jpg



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    Default Re: Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400

    For testing only set 3003 0 & 2 to 1's Then see if G100.3 turns to a 1 when trying to jog the 4th axis plus direction. Keep K0.5 off for now. Is it possiable to send me the ladder from the machine? jim.lewis@cncusallc.com



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    Default Re: Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400

    Quote Originally Posted by drdos View Post
    For testing only set 3003 0 & 2 to 1's Then see if G100.3 turns to a 1 when trying to jog the 4th axis plus direction. Keep K0.5 off for now. Is it possiable to send me the ladder from the machine? jim.lewis@cncusallc.com
    OK, Jim, just sent you an e-mail. Thanks!



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    Default Re: Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400

    All OK now! Jim Lewis of CNC USA, LLC - Home helped me solved this. Great guy!
    Problem was twofold:

    1. The service guy doing the install didn't put a jumper cable in CXA20 port, instead he put it in the DCC & DCP port. Luckily it seems there is no damage to the servo amp.
    2. The cable going from the rotary to the CNC machine missed two wires in the W & X port.



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    Default Re: Fanuc 0i-MC 4th axis-Doosan DNM 400

    Great News John Enjoy



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