frustrated

[HANSENTECH]

I do not have a casset

[tc429]

I found FAPT LADDER V06.1 dos. is this the correct one?

I also found a link to a fladder v6 point something, but in the zip file was the fladderII file...

the old FLADDER for IBM V1.0 was part number A08B-9201-J500#EN, didnt see any links to any online. I dont think II or III can do zero series. you could open up whatever you found and the main screen will show the part number- but think the V6. is II

you mentioned already having II and III, so I assume you already have the correct ANSI.sys loaded? if not it might be garbled display, or like a open contact looks like a 'a' with the dots above it and such...

[tc429]

just relooking at your pictures- are those boards in the right sockets? I *think* all the Zero-C/D controls we've had always had memory card in the left socket, then the AXE card, then the I/O, (sometimes a graphics in the right slot also).

looks like yours is memory/IO/AXE... maybe it dont matter, perhaps the buss sockets are all the same- but I'd look and make sure. usually Fanuc has a three character name on each socket, and same letters on the board plug, but in different order...remember on a 6 that CAB plugged into CBA, etc- think the zero is similar. your I/O card is one I havent seen before either- looks to have ribbon plugs instead of the blue Honda MR- series plugs?


I didnt think to ask- but is there a board tagged PMC-M? unlikely to have a bigger pmc in a small machine, but if so, the PMC-M card also has 0E1/0E2 sockets for the ladder proms- but it takes a different bit in P905 to turn on PMC-M function...weve only ever had a couple machines with PMC-M, didnt think about it till relooking at your pics- and wondering if that odd i/o ribbon cabled card might be a PMC card too...

[memoryman]

tc429 is correct about the board order. L to R: MEM IO AXE PMC GR PWR.
As to the IO board, have never seen one without Honda connectors.
As to the ladder loaded into SRAM, I don't think that is possible. Without the editing cassette (I have one) or the PMC-M Ram development board (have that too but never used it), the ladder is always in EPROMS.

[tc429]

tc429 is correct about the board order. L to R: MEM IO AXE PMC GR PWR.
As to the IO board, have never seen one without Honda connectors.
As to the ladder loaded into SRAM, I don't think that is possible. Without the editing cassette (I have one) or the PMC-M Ram development board (have that too but never used it), the ladder is always in EPROMS.

I debug in ram all the time- if you boot a zero-C with no chips in 0E1/0E2 but the pmc option active, it boots to a screen that asks to run from ram/load PMC/etc... you hit '3' and it runs whatever ladder was last loaded into ram, or hit 1 to upload the ram from a fladder laptop...

the zero A works kinda similar, except you have to plug in ram chips and move the jumper- and you have to use a P-G to load it...

I have a zero-C ram card, but never use it- found its faster to edit on the laptop and redump to ram rather than use the limited softkeys/mdi keyboard...

[tc429]

FYI just using my FAPT Ladder- noticed I'd listed the wrong part number- mine is actually
A08B-9201-J504#en V1.0

[HANSENTECH]

apparently it was running from ram cause there is no oe1 oe2 chips, no casset
and no other pmc-m board in the control. what do I need to connect from the laptop to the control using fladder? does this connect to the port for transfering programs or do I need other hardware? if I turn on parameter 905 the screen asking to run/load from IO/run without comes up. I assume when I get the ladder written I need to pick load from IO to transfer from computer to the control. I am working on figuring out IO asingments, there are two input and two output boards fed by the ribbon cables from the IO card (output A20B10030380 02A) (input ?) anyone have documentation?

[tc429]

apparently it was running from ram cause there is no oe1 oe2 chips, no casset
and no other pmc-m board in the control. what do I need to connect from the laptop to the control using fladder? does this connect to the port for transfering programs or do I need other hardware? if I turn on parameter 905 the screen asking to run/load from IO/run without comes up. I assume when I get the ladder written I need to pick load from IO to transfer from computer to the control.

correct

I am working on figuring out IO asingments, there are two input and two output boards fed by the ribbon cables from the IO card (output A20B10030380 02A) (input ?) anyone have documentation?

no documentation here, but can send you a generic ladder starting point for op panel/spindle addressing- will try to strip down a ladder for that and send you if you want...90% of the ladder will be the op panel anyway unless its written messy- which a lot of machines are.

did you track down a copy of fladder? you will need that. once you finish up, you can reload as necessary or email the files to someone with a fawriter or pcwriter to make a chip.

it sounds like the 'screen asking to run/load from IO/run without comes up' is something new- this kinda concerns me as if it was running from RAM since you got it, you shoulda had that screen from day1... am I misunderstanding, or do you recall that screen from the past, when it was kinda working?
if that screen is new, either there is a option I'm not aware of that allows op panel without PMC, or someone took your chips/cassette, know what I mean? just want to make sure if theres any way to run that operator panel without PMC- I truly dont think its possible, but you never know.

edit- just looked at your pics again- 462-X is unusual... X is version 24 (displays 462-24 at boot right?) Ive never seen a set newer than -09... this has me wondering if a bigger OEM bastardized the firmware to include a fixed ladder function-
exactly HOW did the info 'get lost'? you might find in custom firmware there were bits past 920 added for oem options- but just guessing. do you have a full parameter listing?

[HANSENTECH]

a partial ladder would be great ! better than starting from scratch. I did find a copy of fladder 1 but It gets messed up. see pics
As far as the run / load I don't remember if it always came up but the machine did work when I first got it. I think what I did was hit the load from I/O insted of the run key. the number that comes up when it is started is 462-Z25. I do not have a parameter listing

[tc429]

the garbled screen is because ANSI.SYS isnt loaded...go to microsoft .com and look for the ANSI.SYS for your OS

I havent been able to use Fladder under XP in a newer laptop- with ansi.sys it would run, but the serial port was causing me greif, so i dumped that idea and still use my very old 486 DOS laptop...I'm a dinosaur. a old laserjet4 with the built in setup screen(no drivers required) works great on the old DOS laptop for printing... I mnemonic transfer my PG files to the old dos laptop to print them, as my dot matrix printer died a decade or 2 ago man printing a ladder on the serial dot matrix took forever, dont miss that printer at all.

the ansi.sys file needs put in a directory in your path called in your config.sys file, then add a
device=c:\[directory]\ansi.sys
line in your config sys file and reboot, restart fladder...should get a better looking screen... I'll try to send you a generic ladder to start building from in a day or three, been a bit hectic this week... hopefully you have a old dos(maybe w95?) laptop around with a real serial port, to dump the file from...

you said you dont have a parameter listing- is it empty/cleared currently? would need to know screw pitches, servo model numbers to get a semi close parameter setup

[HANSENTECH]

got the garbled screen fixed Thanks

here is the machine info I figured out so far. can I manually fire outputs from the screen in its current state??

MACHINE INFO

Spindle

SPINDLE DRIVE A06B-6059-H203
SPINDLE MOTOR A06B-0754-B490
belt drive one to one ratio
spindle orientate sensor
tool clamp air cylinder two way valve limit switch clamp unclamp
spindle air blast

tool changer
20 tool drum DC motor one revolution advances one tool proximity switch varification
air cylinder advance and retract drum two way valve proximity switch varification


inputs

spindle orientate ? direct to drive ?
tool clamp no 18-4
unclamp no 18-8
tool pocket no 16-1
drum out no 16-3
drum in no 16-4

x home nc 16-6
y home nc 17-6
z home nc 18-6

xyz limits series together

outputs
1st output rack
A20B10030380 02A

lube pump R1A1


2nd output rack
A20B10030380 02A

?? R3A
Air blast R4A
Tool unclamp R5A
Tool clamp R6A
Coolant R8A
? power sup 10B2


still working on rest of I/O

ball screws .200" pitch direct drive
3 AXIS DRIVE A06B-6058-H334
Z AXIS MOTOR A06B-0315-B202
X AXIS MOTOR A06B-0314-B003
Y AXIS MOTOR A06B-0314-B003

[tc429]

B003 sounds wrong for .200 pitch...any chance the pitch might be .236
(6mm?)

the B202 on the Z means 2500 ppr- so think it needs a .125", .250", 5mm, 7.5mm,10mm, or .500" pitch for DMR/CMR to work out. perhaps the motor has been exchanged and encoder isnt actually what the Bxxx number says? if Z is for sure .2", might need to pop the red cap off and see if perhaps a 2k encoder (should say B201 on the motor tag though) is actually installed...it happens.

B003 is 3000 pulse- pretty much can only use 6mm...wait, DMR of 1 and CMR of 3 (1.5)? no, that would read .3 on the screen...I gotta think about that.

do you have a old DOS laptop to download with? I'll try and piece together a start of a ladder this weekend if I get time