Need Help!- Build Thread!- FS10T & Programming

[gbowne1]

I've moved my FS10T thread, and the programming questions here.

The machine will be coming to me in mid-2011, while the parts for the control arrive. I just have to deliver the specs to the MTB. They did not wish to get involved in the control build.. and left that to a retrofitter.. (i.e, me!)

Ok, so here is my sample program.

O0001
(SAMPLE TRIAL TEST PART)
(MATL 4340 STL 1.250)
(FACE & ROUGH OD 1.125)
(MCLNR-164)
N01 G20 G40 G80 G99
G28 U0 W0
G00 T0101 M8
G99 G96 S1500 M3
G00 G54 X4.000 Z5.000 (some position rapids)
G71 (Not completely sure what will be here)
*********
M5
M9
M30
%

The prrogram here needs to rough the OD about 2", after completing the face op. which could be done with my ISCAR SGFH tool in say T02.

It would then take the drill chuck in the tailstock, or a boring bar and bore the .625x.750 bore @ say X0 after doing some rapids, with the coolant still on.

Finishing that, the next would be to take my cutoff/grooving tool in T02 and groove the OD so a .125" x .063 grove @ .21875" from the end of part.

Then the next op. would to do the .030x45deg with a suitable tool.

I think I would still have to figure out the S&F for the program.

As for the control itself, I am able to locate these:

A16B-1010-0041 MasterBoard
A16B-1210-0410 ACP w/A16B-1310-0300 add on
A02B-0072-C021 CRT/MDI
A02B-0076-K002 PC Casstte B
A16B-1210-0381 ADD Memory
A16B-1210-0481 Control Panel I/O

Not sure if I need axes boards, BMU, etc.

I am thinkin about using the A06B-6041, 6044, 6045 or 6047 VCU drives with whatever servos.

I'm not sure if I will end up with the 10T, 10TF or 10TEF. Advice?

Ok thats it for tonight.. suggestions, commments...

[sinha_nsit]

Had I been in your place, I would have purchased a completely assembled machine. Retrofitting is a specialized job. There are people who have expertize in this area, many of whom are available on this forum also. But, free advice has its own limitation.

I am impressed by your courage and go-ahead spirit. Best wishes. You sure can do it, just need patience. I am sure forum members would help you to the maximum possible extent.

Incidently, at this stage, you need not worry about the program you are going to run on the machine. Every program would work unless it involves some optional feature of the control. You can get the options activated even at a later stage. The machine should, of course, have neceaasry hardware for this. For example, rigid tapping may not be possible on all machines.

[gbowne1]

Incidently, at this stage, you need not worry about the program you are going to run on the machine.

Well, I've never done any lathe programming, only milling so I need to learn somehow.

Had I been in your place, I would have purchased a completely assembled machine. Retrofitting is a specialized job. There are people who have expertize in this area, many of whom are available on this forum also. But, free advice has its own limitation.

Yeah, everything has it's limitation to some extent. Yeah, I sure could go out and buy a lathe with the control I want with the money I have. I've been fairly successful with building the 15MA from eBay parts. Along with a few others. I like a little bit of a challenge.

From Blakemachine's thread on the 10T, I think I might like FAPT. Never used it.

Greg

[sinha_nsit]

I never meant to discourage you. In fact, I like your approach.
What came to my mind was that if you do not have enough experience at assembly level, you might have to waste a lot of time pondering over what went wrong where, and time is money.
Of course, if you have to concentrate on programming aspect also at this stage, you would obviously need to exert more. But sure you can do it. My best wishes.

[gbowne1]

Sinha,

Thanks for the encouragement.

I can do the assembly once the parts have arrived. It's the wiring and ladder, parameters, etc. that will be the hardest, so like always I enlist the help of a good friend of mine that I made while building my 'eBay' 15MA that can do that for me.

I just thought it would be a good idea to get a head start on learning the programming.

[gbowne1]

I've gotten a little further in my 10T build and a few parts have arrived. I'll let you all know what I've received so far very soon. Have to get on with the 16MB build too.

Greg

[gbowne1]

Ok, I have all of the boards posted in the first post to this thread, with the exception of the A16B-1010-0041

I need to pick out the servos and drives/VCU. I am thinking the DC 10M yellow cap since they seem to be a bit popular.

The CRT/MDI was a fun find. Took a while but I got it cheap enough.

I'm gonna have an 8 station tool turret on the lathe. This seems pretty common. Are they normally servo driven? What type tooling should I look for in the design? I wanna get the best tooling I can get for my money. I already have a lot of tooling that is supposedly "CNC Length Qualified".. 12 and 16 size.

Which power supply works with the 10?..the A16B-1210-0560 or -0510?

I don't know a whole lot about the A06B-6041, 6044, 6045 or 6047 VCU drives. Do I need the discharge unit?

I am also looking at the PC Cassette A02-0076-K001 or -K002..

Do I have the right boards? Is there an axes board?

There also seems to be an SRAM BMU.. A16B 2201 0132, 0134, 0135.

Oh, and I'm still working on the 16M build. I have some notes on my 11M build but that one took a while to complete and I lost a lot of my notes pre-2005.

Greg

[gbowne1]

Well, it's been 10 months since I posted on this thread about my 10TF/TEF build.. so I thought I would add a little more about the build.

For the people following my current threads.. this is my I/O for the 10TF.

A03B-0801-C129 IA16E
A03B-0801-C117 OA16D
A03B-0801-C101 IF01A)
A03B-0801-C133 ID64A
A03B-0801-C012 10 Slot I/O Base
A16B-1310-0010-01 Power Supply

Have not settled on which servos I will use or the VCU drives/amps & discharge unit. Any with info on these, could you help me decide on which servos?

This build follows the A02B-0072-B501 Order No.

Someone sent me a PC Cassette B from a 10TF with a ladder from a machine similar to mine, since mine is a custom built machine which is similar to many on the market.

The ladder also needs to be finished.

I also need to aquire the 10/11/12 manual set.

[fordav11]

Turrets on machines of that era are not normally servo driven. You can tell a servo driven turret because it does not jerk when indexing. The movement is smooth and fast.
Just curious did you get FAPT on your machine? I have a nice tutorial book here not scanned from about late 80's (should be the same green screen version) but can scan it if there's interest.

[gbowne1]

Yes I did manage to get FAPT but haven't set it up. I don't know much about it. I would love to see a tutorial on it though.

There's one on YouTube done on a 16T/18T Daewoo Puma. But it just talks about how to run a job and transfer code.

FAPT deserves a while video series.

I read blakemachine's post on his 10TF. I was able to get FAPT cleared.

What I would love even more is for someone to scan a 10/11/12 manual set.

My turret came from a EBay auction and came about after discussion about the best tooling type to use.

I'm still learning lathe programming. But I know more now than I did 8 months ago

[fordav11]

the FAPT version of the late 80's or System P model G yellow boxes has not changed much from the current version available on 15 and 16 series Fanucs

The main thing with FAPT is you need to set up the tooling file with the correct tip and clearance angles and the FAPT-side parameters need to be correct.

After that you simply draw the part with lines and arcs then select a machining operation (for example Rough Turn) and select a tool from the library, then use the pick points (yellow dots) to denote the start and end of the machining you want to do with that tool and it will machine the part. It's pretty simple to machine very complex parts using FAPT.

I can give you a personal one on one tutorial with detailed instructions when you are ready. I've been using FAPT since 1986 and have vast knowledge of the internals of it....... parameters, tooling file, input/output, non-standard machining methods including feeding it bullsh*t data to get it to do what I want

Just make sure your machine or at least the FAPT side of it is working first. I think you still have some work to go in that area?

When you're ready contact me via PM and we will make a start.

[gbowne1]

The machine was delivered in operational condition and the control cabinet was shippped freight from the factory because it is a custom made NEMA cabinet. it's a floor standing model. The masterboard was installed Sept. 20th, 2011 along with the boards and power supply, input unit and the fan units and the heat exchanger. On October 9th the i/o backplate and modules I just described in my previous oost were installed. I still have servos to choose and install along with the VCU for the lathe servos. Then to wire the i/o and everything else including the transformer.

I would love to learn FAPT. Sounds like from all I've read about it that it's very useful. The lathe has a 8 tool turret. Oh also forgot have to build a operator panel.