hardinge fagor retrofit

[Phoenix123]

My retrofit machine controller failed and after having it fixed, I am not able to retrieve the decoded M functions. This is a machine built by upgrade technologies in 1993. Would anyone know the code or where I can get this.

Thanks
Scott

[Al_The_Man]

What Fagor control? I assume you mean the ladder/logic file is lost?
You should have had a back up on file of all the parameters and Logic file.
If you do not have this and it is a retrofit, then there is not alot of chance of obtaining this other than the retrofitter themselves.
As a last resort, you would need someone who is capable of re-commissioning
the machine.
It seems the I.T. company is still in business, hopefully they have a copy.
Al.

[mmurning]

Do you still need them, if it is a 8025t i have them.

[Tinmuk]

I know this is an old post, but I am having the same problem, bought the machine with a dead battery and need the decoded M functions, or at least the procedure to enter them.

[Al_The_Man]

Most of the Fagor manuals are on line, the method of programming control mnemonics are usually covered.
A familiarity with boolean is an advantage.
Al.

[Ringtech]

Have you called Brad at Dynamic Machine Resourses, he has a tech called Paul who would know how to do that,
www.dynamiccnc.com

[Tinmuk]

Thanks, I will give him a call today.

[Fagor - Todd]

In 1993, he has an 8025 T control, and setting the M-codes is fairly simple if you have the original machine I/O print. If you go to the print and you'll see it is wired back to the Fagor 25 pin I/O 2 port...... tell me what pin and what function as per the print and I can tell you how to set up the M-codes.

These M-codes are set by the engine builder as per their machine.... its really simple, but we have to know the pin and the function to make it work. I can walk you thru it if I know this information.

Or as somebody said earlier, Paul can probably do it as well.

[Tinmuk]

I have looked through the documentation that I got with the machine and did not see an I/O print. This was a pretty standard Hardinge/Accuslide installation with threading and a Sabina VFD.

Is there any way yo trace the pin-outs to see what goes where? I am good at mechanical stuff, but not so great at electronics.

[Fagor - Todd]

Originally Posted by Tinmuk I have looked through the documentation that I got with the machine and did not see an I/O print. This was a pretty standard Hardinge/Accuslide installation with threading and a Sabina VFD. Is there any way yo trace the pin-outs to see what goes where? I am good at mechanical stuff, but not so great at electronics.

With a standard accuslide, you do not have a lot of M-code outputs..... spindle M03/04, M08/09 coolant and I think they called it M13/M14 for collet open/shut and maybe a few others.

If you want to trace it out, go to the I/O 2 port on the CNC. (It is the only 25 pin connector on the CNC)..... take the connector housing off and trace all wires that are connected from pins 3 thru 13 and also pins 22-25...... a lot of them should have no wire connected because I know they did not use all M-code outputs. Once we know where they go, I can tell you how to set-up the M-code table. The connector is on the back of the CNC on the pendant. (The 8025 is a compact CNC and is all 1 unit) the wires will then undoubtly run thru the arm and into the electrical cabinet.

My next question, is parameters..... do you know them ? Have you re-entered them ?

After you are all done, I'll teach you how to back this data up so you can just do a reload in the event of future problems.

Todd

[Tinmuk]

I will trace the pins tomorrow and let you know where they go.

The rest of the parameters seem to be intact. At least there is info in all the parameter pages I have looked at.

BTW, Thanks for the help, it is really apreciated.

[Tinmuk]

I went out and took a look at the wiring to see what I needed to do to trace everything, and I found hand written on the inside of the cabinet behind the terminal block was the following.

black-forward
red-reverse
red/black-M9
white/black-M8
orange-M12

So I looked for those color wires at the relay strip and traced them to the 25 pin DB connetor at I/O 2 and here is the pinout

3- black
4-red
5-red/black
6-white/black
7-orange

Now I noticed that pin 1 & 2 are jumped together at the connector to a heavy white wire which appears to go to a transformer in the original Hardinge power box. There is also a heavy blue wire that is jumped from pin 19 to pin 20 and appears to go to a connector marked L on the Sabina VFD.

I also checked the fwd and rev on the Sabina and red is indeed reverse and black is forward, just like the handwritten note indicated.

I hope all that makes sense to you. If needed I can check everything more carefully, but as you said there are not a lot of M-function on this machine. spindle, coolant, threading and collet are it.