MAG - Fadal Closing?????

[Hennessy]

We just had 2 of our mills go down and I herd this rumor from the tec that came out for the repair. Is it true??? I cant find any thing to confirm this.... has any one herd any thing???

Hennessy

[scadvice]

...take a look at the posting on this forum under FADAL on "Buying used Fadal, what to look for"
Steve

[Neal]

MAG Maintenence Technologies is still here in Chatworth and will be for a very long time. We will continue to support all Fadal equipment with service, training, and parts. We're in the same building. Production is moving to Wisconsin.
If you are a Fadal owner, rest easy as your support remains!

Neal

[Hennessy]

Originally Posted by Neal MAG Maintenence Technologies is still here in Chatworth and will be for a very long time. We will continue to support all Fadal equipment with service, training, and parts. We're in the same building. Production is moving to Wisconsin. If you are a Fadal owner, rest easy as your support remains! Neal

Thanks that's good to know. We have 4 VMCs so i am sure we will need the support. Whats got me bent is the Maintenance company doubled the part price in a day... Thursday the CRT monitor = $500... today it = $1000 I guess i will have a fun talk with them Monday to at least get an explanation.

Thanks for the clarification.

Hennessy

[IN2GLAMISGIRL]

It sounds like MAG is in bad shape to me. My concern is that if MAG runs out of cash and credit the production will never get set back up in Wisconsin.

The Fadal machines have been great machines for our business. We have used them from the early days and made a good living using them.

I would like to see someone buy them before the scrapers come in and it's gone for good. Maybe some of the original founders could buy Fadal back before it is to late.

Neal: Thanks for keeping us informed.

[Scott_bob]

Well, there may be enough time for you fadal cnc owners to get out of a bad situation, but I doubt it... If you cannot see that the brand is not going to last, then nothing I or anyone else says to you will convince you either. There is no point in me going into detail on this subject, because I have said it in so many ways already...

2 million people may still be driving ford pintos, even though the brand is a death trap in the event of a rear end accident in excess of 30 miles per hour. Rear end accident, not your fault, but you're dead. Reason, you chose to drive a faulty brand.

Don't be a victim of your own ill advised choice.

[carbidecraters]

Originally Posted by Scott_bob Well, there may be enough time for you fadal cnc owners to get out of a bad situation, but I doubt it... If you cannot see that the brand is not going to last, then nothing I or anyone else says to you will convince you either. There is no point in me going into detail on this subject, because I have said it in so many ways already... 2 million people may still be driving ford pintos, even though the brand is a death trap in the event of a rear end accident in excess of 30 miles per hour. Rear end accident, not your fault, but you're dead. Reason, you chose to drive a faulty brand. Don't be a victim of your own ill advised choice.

Still making millions with our Fadals even though they are 15 years old

[IN2GLAMISGIRL]

Originally Posted by Scott_bob Well, there may be enough time for you fadal cnc owners to get out of a bad situation, but I doubt it... If you cannot see that the brand is not going to last, then nothing I or anyone else says to you will convince you either. There is no point in me going into detail on this subject, because I have said it in so many ways already... 2 million people may still be driving ford pintos, even though the brand is a death trap in the event of a rear end accident in excess of 30 miles per hour. Rear end accident, not your fault, but you're dead. Reason, you chose to drive a faulty brand. Don't be a victim of your own ill advised choice.

Scott_bob
Twenty-seven people died in Pinto fires. Given the Pinto's production figures (over 2 million built),
this was no worse than typical for the time. And if 2 million are still on the road it would be the most reliable car ever built.


We have used Fadals for 25 years to build aerospace parts with great success.
MAG might fail but that will only eliminate the option for new machines.
I do like the heavy duty 6535 50 taper and 3020 machines.

Our Fadals are solid machines and with aftermarket support
parts should not be a problem. Their are 25K plus Fadal mills
working hard every day.

[carbidecraters]

He does have a point about the controller though. If they used a fast controller they could be very competitive.

[WallyL7]

They seem to have been on a downward spiral for years. My last shop bought a couple of them in the mid to late 90's, but also bought a Haas - That was it for the fadals. We ended up with about 20 haas' and just the 3 fadals. I couldn't stand being on the Fadals, once I was familiar with the Haas control, the Mori seiki control (had a couple of those too), and the Daewoo control. I liked every one BUT THE FADAL! I can relate to the reference on the slow control, but those guys that liked it seemed to get by fine.

I had one guy working for me who would go down swinging for that old Fadal 4020. It always made for good debates - Fadal vs. Haas

To reference Scott - it might be like pinto vs escort?

[WallyL7]

Oh, and I know that the owners of the shop are still making money with those machines.

[Hythos]

I saw a few MAG's at Westec... but not like last year.

I know many people whom learnt on a Fadal (myself included) in an age where you had to know something about programming G-code. Haas + Ellison, et. al., - they make it easier for the machine operator.