Fadals new Augusta control or 104d

[Scott_bob]

pronc,

The new 104d control machine took 45% longer to run?
Same feed rates?

Any chance you can give me a phone number to call your company?
I could sure use some help with evaluating the Augusta control.

[Scott_bob]

3-4-2004

Fadals new machine and control got delivered today...
Interesting, they could not get their control to work with their own pallet changer (according to one story) So, because they promised us a pallet machine, they had to purchase and integrate a Midaco pallet changer instead.

The guys on the machine shop floor don't like the Midaco. Actually they hate it. (Bad experience on another Fadal)...
Maybe "comfortable shoe syndrome", you know, that old pair of comfortable shoes get worn the most.

At least the Midaco has a pallet system that clamps the pallets to the table... Fadals are not clamped "down" to the table...

Looking forward to next week,

[Scott_bob]

3-19-04

2 weeks now with a new Fadal 4020 with the new Augusta 104d control and a Midaco pallet changer.

To this day, the machine does not run!
The best personnel that Fadal could possibly send have been here and tried...
I don't have to say what I think about this machine, you all know from my previous posts...

Just wanted you to know that the disappointments are not just my own but the guys who run the machine...

[pronc]

Scott,

Same here. The rumor is already flying around that we're not happy with the machine.

[Scott_bob]

3-24-04

It's up to 100% Rapid traverse now...
Seems to be in production now, waiting on feedback from shop floor on cycle times...

[Scott_bob]

My bad, it's up to 100% Rapid on the rapid traverse switch but, the fadal tech set the maximum rapid traverse rate at 50%, and that's just the rapid traverse rate. Believe me when I say that as bad as the machine is at rapid traverse, it's worse in feed motion...

I see you can get a new Fadal with a Fanuc control. I wonder why...

[Scott_bob]

Obviously this CNC machine is gone from our shop floor. I suppose the silver lining on this cloud is that now we have moved away from the company standard "Fadal" brand. Where that Fadal / Augusta / 104d control machine sat, sits a brand new Mori Seiki NV 5000 Alpha B / Fanuc 18i

Mori “factory built” 2 pallet changer (22 second chip to chip)
40" in X, 20" in Y, 20" in Z
20,000 RPM Integral Spindle (no gearbox or belts)
1,653 Inches per minute Rapids, 1,653" IPM Feeds
30 Tool side mounted (3 second chip to chip)
Ai Nano high speed contouring control
Ethernet server, right now we use RS 232 at 119k baud rate
CNC machine alone weighs in at over 15,000 lbs (at least 4,000 lbs more than Fadals 4020)
Estimated ROI on the additional investment over the cost of new Fadal: 6 months.
For us, this CNC machine is more than 40% faster on average cycle time performance.

What I am looking forward to most is not seeing the repairman in here, every 3 months…
Well, now that I wrote that out, I think what I won’t miss is; the poor quality parts coming off the machine the most. On the other hand, what I am really jazzed about is the fact that programs will work as expected, the 1st time. I’m sure that we can count on more orders because our quality will improve, as well as our on time deliveries. Maybe the accountants will finally believe us. After all this time struggling at quality and delivery, the reason for disappointment has not been our fault, but the machine tools we had to work with…

What a relief,

Oh, btw I sure wish more of you had cast a vote in this poll... After all, less than 30 votes out of 5,000 views? You're not afraid to take a stand are?

[lnguyen]

How do i get to know Fadal G-code control? Can any one help?