Fadal 4020

[joshuac]

Hello people my friend have one machine "Fadal 4020".
Normally they do the programs manually in the machine, or do in CAM and then past to the machine by hands

now i talk to him and say why you don't do DNC ??? and he don't know what is ....

I go your factory and see the machine. Then i search somethings in the internet but i have some doubts....

In front of machine we have a controler with one PC (picture 01) in the back side of computer we have 2 connectors Db25 (male and female - picture 02)

In back of machine we have an connector DB25 (picture 03 and 04)

Now my question is: what connector i use to comunicate with pc for dnc??? the db25 from PC of control panel (picture 02) or the db25 in back of machine (picture 03)??
and what diagram we use for the cable?? (PDF file page 320-322)

someone can help??

[joshuac]

hello again.

In my opinion i think the connectors in back side of pc (picture02) is used for do dnc with connector in back side of machine (picture 03) using scheme of page 320 "RS232 Pinouts for the IBM-compatible PC Simple DB25 Null Modem"

If we want use a external pc, we need to use the scheme of page 320 - "RS232 Pinouts for the IBM-compatible PC DB9 (@PC) to DB25 (@VMC) for DTE Equipment" and the connector in the back side of machine (picture 03).

Correct me if i'm wrong.

regards
joshuac

[DareBee]

Yes - use the cable on the bottom of page 320.
My connection is the one on the back of the machine. I do not have a connection on the user interface box like you show. I do not know if it is the same or for something different but I would assume it is the same as the one on the back.

[joshuac]

Originally Posted by DareBee Yes - use the cable on the bottom of page 320. My connection is the one on the back of the machine. I do not have a connection on the user interface box like you show. I do not know if it is the same or for something different but I would assume it is the same as the one on the back.

Ok i do some tests and i have good and bad news

I prepare an dnc soft with configs, then put in receive mode - Go to machine and type CD,6 (ENTER) + PU,2 (ENTER) and the DNC software receive the current program. works very very fine.
Then do CD,6 (ENTER) + PU,3 (ENTER) and do the backup of all programs.

ok works very fine in receive mode for PC

In SEND mode, i can't do anything. I put in the machine CD,6 (ENTER) + TA,1 (ENTER) then go to the software and send program. The progress bar in DNC software goes to 100% but in the machine nothing happen, i see th program list and don't receive.... I don't know what's happen.... If send the Machine to PC why don't send the PC to Machine???

I think it's configs from DNC software. It's possibel says me one example of software and good configs???

regards
joshuac

[Neal]

Joshuac--
Since you can communicate in one direction, the settings in your PC software are good. The issue most likely is either a bad connection in the cable or a bad 1030 buss interface card.
Have you done the loop back test using the RS-232 test plug that came with the machine??

Neal

[DareBee]

Are you using a USB interface at the computer?

[joshuac]

Hello.

Originally Posted by Neal Joshuac-- Have you done the loop back test using the RS-232 test plug that came with the machine?? Neal

How to do this???

Originally Posted by DareBee Are you using a USB interface at the computer?

No, is a RS-232 inside motherboard

regards
joshuac

[dango]

I really does not understand your problem
on the machine you have MP32 in one side you have win 98
with program that called MAIND or something similar
connect this computer to your other computer load the program
on your cnc side be in manual
and then run the program in dnc very simple

[joshuac]

Originally Posted by dango I really does not understand your problem on the machine you have MP32 in one side you have win 98 with program that called MAIND or something similar connect this computer to your other computer load the program on your cnc side be in manual and then run the program in dnc very simple

I don't have nothing similar to MAIND...

regards
joshuac

[Neal]

The program being referred to is called CNCMAINX.EXE. This is the Fadal Memory Manager and is resident on the embedded hard drive of the 32MP control. It is a stand alone program that is used to meve files back and forth from the PC hard drive and the machine memory and to and from a rfemote PC via the RS-232 port at the BACK of the machine and not at the back of the pendant.

Neal

[joshuac]

Hello people

After some months i'm back again to this topic.

I stop this topic because i have an accident, and i'm stop working.
Now i'm better and i try to do something....

I open the Pc of machine an i see one connect RJ45 and i can connect one pc to the machine with one shared folder.

Originally Posted by Neal The program being referred to is called CNCMAINX.EXE. This is the Fadal Memory Manager and is resident on the embedded hard drive of the 32MP control Neal

Than i follow this and i found this program. In this moment i can run one program in DNC mode, and i can do backup of all programs in fadal memory.

Thanks Neal without you it's impossible

Now i have two questions when i try to run one program.

The program is:

%
N1 O2039 ( CORPO MONOCOMANDO CILINDRICO LAVATÓRIO ) ( TEMPO DE CICLO = )
N2 G40 G44 G80
N3 G0 G90 G28 Z0
N4 G0 G28 X0 Y0 A0
N5 ( BROCA DIA. 8 X 5 -- LOCALIZAÇÃO CARTUCHO E ENTRADAS DE ÁGUA )
N6 T1 M6
N7 G0 G17 G80 G90 E1 X-9 Y10 A45.400
N8 S6000 M3
N9 G0 G43 Z15 H1 M8
N10 G0 Z10
N11 M98 P5 L1
N12 G0 Z20
N13 G0 G17 G89 G90 E2 X-9 Y10
N14 G0 Z10
N15 M98 P5 L1
N16 G0 Z20
N17 G0 G17 G89 G90 E3 X-9 Y10
N18 G0 Z10
N19 M98 P5 L1
N20 G0 Z20
N21 G0 G17 G89 G90 E4 X-9 Y10
N22 G0 Z10
N23 M98 P5 L1
N24 G0 Z20
N25 G0 G17 G89 G90 E5 X-9 Y10
N26 G0 Z10
N27 M98 P5 L1
N28 G0 Z20
N29 G0 G17 G89 G90 E6 X-9 Y10
N30 G0 Z10
N31 M98 P5 L1
N32 G0 Z20
N33 G0 G17 G89 G90 E7 X-9 Y10
N34 G0 Z10
N35 M98 P5 L1
N36 G0 Z20
N37 G0 G17 G89 G90 E8 X-9 Y10
N38 G0 Z10
N39 M98 P5 L1
N40 G0 Z20
N41 G0 G17 G89 G90 E9 X-9 Y10
N42 G0 Z10
N43 M98 P5 L1
N44 G0 Z20
N45 G0 G17 G89 G90 E10 X0 Y5
N46 G0 Z10
N47 M98 P5 L1
N48 G0 Z20
N49 G0 G17 G89 G90 E11 X0 Y5
N50 G0 Z10
N51 M98 P5 L1
N52 G0 Z100
N53 G0 X-225
N54 G0 Y150
N55 M1
N56 G0 A0
N57 G28 Z100
N58 M30

in line :

N53 G0 X-225

the machine moves only -0.225 i don't know why for do a correct value i need to put a point in the coordinate (X-225.) someone know why???

other things

when i run this program sometines i have one error in
N33 G0 G17 G89 G90 E7 X-9 Y10

Error - Number out of range....

Always in this line.

But other times the program run correctly.....

is someone can help me.

thanks
regards
joshuac