Wind Power Questions

[Hirudin]

Wow, y'all really know how to argue! This has been an interesting read; very informative.

Unfortunately some of you don't seem to know the rules of grammar and spelling which makes some of the points you're trying to make difficult to understand. Poor language skills notwithstanding* you guys can fling insults and throw jabs with the best of 'em. Bravo, keep it up!

* fixed

[ImanCarrot]

Notwithstanding is one word hehe

[dhellew2]

Fizzissist got it right except for one item. Utility rates are controlled by government. Utilities cannot raise rates anytime they want to cover added costs imposed by government. Much of the power is government 'owned' by such names as Bonneville Power Administration, Tennessee Valley Authority, etc. Another huge percentage is PUD's that operate at cost and Coop's that also are non-profit but can market multiple forms of energy and other products.

Most states have some or like California most utilities are investor owned and do look out for their stockholders but profits are controlled by government except in cases like Enron that promoted massive fraud and government failed in their wisdom to even notice until it collapsed.

Our local PUD owns and operates two dams on the Columbia River. Excess power is sold to other utilities in Washington, Oregon, and California at cost. But did you know that 28, thats right, twenty eight government agencies regulate the use of the water going through the dams to generate electricity, yet 100% of the water remains in the river. None of it is use in the process of generation of electricity.

[dhellew2]

Fizzissist asked the question: Why would they want to ship it to Nevada for storage and lose that income??

Simple answer clout. There are several storage sites in the US including one in my back yard, Hanford Washington. The people don't want it in their back yard but the individual government agencies do and their jobs depend on it. So what you have is government fighting government and the winner is the politician with the most clout at the time.

It’s no different than the constant lawsuits between counties, cities, state, and feds. Only the lawyers win.

I read an interesting article yesterday, one that makes you think. This happened in California awhile back when the police went on strike. Local folk armed themselves to protect themselves and property and crime dropped to near zero. Once the strike was over, crime returned to 'normal'.

The author then made the statement that police departments depend on crime to justify their jobs. Hmmmmm. Criminals don't like armed civilians, they have reason to protect, and they will shoot.

Haveaniceday,

Dale

[Hirudin]

Notwithstanding is one word hehe

Darn, that's always embarrassing.

[fizzissist]

I know more than I care to about Hanford and the Tri-Cities. Some years ago I was privileged (unfunny joke) to handle some mixed waste from a process trench to explore remediation of the soil. (Process Trench 316, if you're curious)

In the project we also dealt with contaminents from Rocky Flats, INEL, and the Nevada Test Site.

One huge difference between Hanford and nuclear power plant's storage, is the power plants generate low level waste, while Hanford is sitting on massive amounts of mixed waste as well as high-level nuclear, earning it a Superfund rating. There's over 50 MILLION gallons of radioactive/chemical waste in some 177 tanks. Some tanks are filled with chemicals of unknown composition, and are considered highly unstable. (that doesn't make the papers..)

...Hanford is a ticking time bomb, and nobody knows how long the fuse is.

(Hirudin, I'm speaking kinda metaphorically..I know that fuses don't tick...they kinda sputter and make funny noises, like one of our more famous posters known for being upside down. )

[Hirudin]

I'd expect a fizzissist to know all about fuse sounds.

[fizzissist]

I'd expect a fizzissist to know all about fuse sounds.

We don't make the bombs, we make the bombs better.

Science-Based Stockpile Stewardship....all the fun without the noise.

[dhellew2]

Fizzissist, everyone around here does know about the problems at Hanford, including the leaking tanks.

Did you know about what is called the down-winders? During the 50's and early 60's the government released low levels of radiation from Hanford to see what effect it would have on the environment. Fortunate for me I lived just far enough north at the time to not be affected but I know lots of people that were. Too little too late for many but some of them are getting some compensation for cancer and tumors that resulted. The levels of tumor growth are higher than anywhere else in the US and thousands of people were affected.

[dhellew2]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are sadly misinformed and have been lied to. Wind energy is the 2nd most expensive source, right behind solar.

Neither of these are reliable and must be backed up with reliable energy sources to prevent grid failure which more than triples the cost of the energy they produce. Average life of the wind machines is 15-years. Most other sources have a life of more than 50-years.

Since demand and mother nature seldom happen at the same time, in order for wind and solar to be useful it requires massive battery banks to store the electricity. These battery banks would take more space than the existing wind farms, have an expected life of 10-years or less, raise the cost more than 100-times, and are an extreme environmental hazard.

Government and environmentalists always lie to you by leaving out most of the truth to further their agenda. Ask questions and learn the truth before you decide what you are hearing is true.

The feds forced everyone to have 10% of their power from "green" (the color of the money) sources. For the cost of this wind power Texas could build 7 nuclear plants and one plant would provide more energy than the wind farms.

Simply put always look at who stands to get rich before you decide something is true. Everything green is really about the money to be made.

The electric car pollutes more than gas cars as does corn ethanol. To charge electric cars requires a source, most of which are fuel fired plants. Converting fuel to electricity loses as much as 60% of the energy, not to mention all the hydrocarbons released.

[Waynno]

+1 dhellew2

Its a farce that sadly sheeple have bought

The mandates here in California will never be met, They got
9 years to get to 33-50%

The environmental work alone will delay that mandate,

Then they still need to get a shovel in the ground.

I see stuff being shoveled, But it aint dirt

Bwahh Ha ha

Edit, Check this out
http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_16962181#ixzz19WVKRrTl

Waynno

[voltsandbolts]

Thought I'd "Bump" this and see if it takes off...

V&B