Science or religion?

[dynosor]

What the religion is really about:
http://www.financialpost.com/analysi...6b&k=54519&p=1

[dynosor]

Originally Posted by vger Take the total number of cars in use, multiply that by 1/2 the cubic inch displacement (assuming 4 cycle engines) of their engines, multiply that by the average RPM of said engines, multiply that by the average number of minutes said engines are run daily, multiply that by 365, and tell me how many hundreds of thousands of cubic miles of air is run through JUST CAR ENGINES ??

I don't see man-made CO2 as a problem in need of a solution, nor is a slightly warmed earth; but lets just do the math again for the fun of it:

Your calculation assumes 100% volumetric efficiency. The average passenger car approaches this at it torque peak RPM with the throttle wide open. Most of the time the throttle is only partly open, so your calculation is way off.

Originally Posted by vger Oh yes, that water vapor from the fuel cells... condenses very nicely back to water once you cool it a bit.

How is the water vapor going to cool down with global warming already taking over the globe? Oh, I forgot, it is cold enough out there to freeze the balls off a brass monkey.

Originally Posted by vger There is also a very very long carbon cycle of which all living things are part of. We are burning acient forests and animal life long burried. And that is not a part of the balanced process.

All of those ancient plants and animals used to float around in the air as CO2. Considering how much carbon is tied up in fossil fuel, the air must now be depleted compared to "natural levels" before man, and by burning said fuel, we are putting the carbon back where it came from, restoring this natural level.

Originally Posted by vger To say that we are not capable of causing climatic change? Have you ever wondered why it so often seems to rain just in time for the weekend? Look at historical data on when it rains most often if you want a little surprise.

The rain is not caused by the carbon, but by the hydrogen. The hydrocarbons in gasoline contain more hydrogen molecules than carbon. When you burn hydrogen you get water vapor. The water vapor condenses into water because there is no GW problem.

As far as burning coal is concerned, soot and radioactive pollution may be a problem; CO2 is not.

[vger]

Anyone who believes that hydrogen causes rain should go back to 8th grade science class.

Yes given the intake manifold pressure is less than atmospheric unless wide open. Maybe only 400mm hg. So about half the volume of air. Still a lot, and that is just cars.

Oh... the carbon... that was in the air... where did it come from? Try the sun, as in solar wind. And it's been drifting in thourgh our atmosphere for eons, falling to the ground, taken up by plants.. and so on. Most of it has gotten burried over the eons and all has been fine.

Now, if you are ready to tell me what the emission wavelength of a CO2 molecule is when relaxing back to it's normal energy level, we might have an intelegent conversation.

Steve

[dynosor]

Originally Posted by vger Anyone who believes that hydrogen causes rain should go back to 8th grade science class.

Hydrogen causes rain like guns cause war, and like humans effect natural climate fluctuations.

Carbon dioxide causes rain like the UN causes peace.

[debogus]

It snowed in palm springs today ( a little)
In Beaumont we got SNOW most of today.( IF I wanted snow I would live in montana or canada eh ?)


When is this global warming BS suppose to start, as I am tired of freezing my ass off.

A three hour tour
Hey can I set up ,like a steam motor , a engine that runs on compressed CO2 ?

Quite, non poisonous ,good for the plants.

Yes we should get off of fossil fuels.
At least off of fuel that isn't ours.

NO we shouldn't and can't do it at the rate the leftest greenie's want it to happen.

It will happen. When the technology , supply demand thing catches up.
Or perhaps the delicate thing in balance that teeters out of control will be civilization.( we are way over due anyway look at the numbers)

Which will thin out the herd ,and that billions of people problem won't be a problem after all.

liveD

[dynosor]

Originally Posted by debogus When is this global warming BS suppose to start, as I am tired of freezing my ass off.

The fear of global warming is based on nothing more than the instinctual pagan awareness of Hell. Like all great religions, GW is an opportunity to organize the masses against some entity, and to use your conscience to drive the flow of money.

[debogus]

Dang I knew it !
My lack of conscience and a utter hatred of psychological manipulation, lights off my spidy sense whenever a "environmentalist" speaks.
Yep Ole school religion ,if I control your god I control you .
Same with emotion . Repent the end is near. LMAO

[nemesis]

Hahahahaha

when I saw this topic, I thought, here we go again. Won't be welcome here for long ...

... but no, you mostly agree with me. Engineers are altogether too logically minded :-)

I think the climate is warming in some parts of the world, but it is part of the normal cycle of planet earth. If it does warm globally, it is probably returning to a mean level and not going to an extreme (you know there are fossil corals and stuff under antarctica don't you)

It is all about money.

[dynosor]

"...on the matter of global intervention to stop global warming, there seems to be no need for scientific evidence to justify what is shaping up as a
global carbon tax of 35 cents a gallon of gas on the American people... Clearly, we are supposed to accept all of this on faith...

The U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is officially sponsored by the U.N. Environmental Program, which once organized an
"Environmental Sabbath" program so people could pay homage to the planet."


From: http://www.aim.org/aim-column/media-...warming-fraud/