What has the UN got to do with it?

[dynosor]

"Climate Change: A U.N. that can't save the world from war, famine, disease and pestilence now releases a report saying global warming will cause all of the above -- and it's your SUV that's doing it.

The fourth and final assessment of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reads like the Bible, but gospel it is not.

It is a "consensus" in that it started with a foregone conclusion -- that man-made pollution is dooming the planet -- and gathered in any and all opinions that supported it. The report incredibly warns that the 630,000 cubic miles of the Greenland ice sheet will virtually disappear in the near future, raising sea levels by almost 30 feet, and the Amazon rain forest will become a dry savannah.

There will be widespread species extinction, as up to three-fifths of wildlife will die out. The Great Barrier Reef will die. And, oh yeah, winter sports in the Alps will be a thing of the past.

United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, who attended the report's release Saturday in Valencia, Spain, told the Independent, a British newspaper, that he found the "quickening pace" of global warming "very frightening." He did not say if he found the "quickening pace" of Iran's nuclear bomb program "very frightening," or explain exactly what he's doing about it right now.

From genocide in Rwanda and the Sudan to wars and rumors of wars in the Middle East and the Balkans, the U.N. has done little to protect the human species as millions die at the hands of despots that sit on its human rights panel. If Ban wants to prevent famine and disease, let him get busy in Darfur, which he also has blamed on global warming.

Indoor spraying of DDT in Africa could save millions from malaria. Bio-engineered foods could save millions from hunger. The billions wasted on climate change research could provide clean drinking water and sanitation to everyone on the planet.

The Copenhagen Consensus 2004, a cost-benefit analysis of health issues by leading economists (including three Nobel Prize winners), figured that money spent on things like micronutrients for children, HIV/AIDS and water purification produces 50 to 200 times the benefit for the human species than spending money to effect imperceptible declines in the Earth's temperature.

Wealthier societies are healthier societies, and the key to ending poverty, hunger and disease is economic growth. It is wealthy societies that can develop and afford the technologies to use energy more efficiently and clean the air and water and feed the hungry.

The U.N. report equates the devastation unleashed by the Industrial Revolution it seeks to repeal with the global impact of a comet striking Mexico's Yucatan peninsula 65 million years ago. But that just shows the power of natural events, not the threat posed by man. We have repeatedly noted the repeated warming and cooling of the earth without intervention by man.

Our growing world needs more energy, not less. To even keep per capita emissions the same, much less reduce them, would mean freezing everybody's living standards and condemning the world's poor to permanent poverty. And for what?

Accepting something like Kyoto, which would dismantle our thriving free-market economy while reducing global temperatures by an estimated 0.04 degree Celsius over the next century, an amount too small to measure. It would achieve this trifling result only at the cost of literally trillions of dollars over that time -- money that will not come from some imaginary place or "global resources," but out of your pocket.

After all, when the U.N. grandly says "we must work together," what it's really saying is, "Americans must foot the bill." The U.N. would do better to support things like the indoor spraying of DDT in the Third World to fight the rampant malaria that kills millions or bio-engineered crops that promote health while fighting hunger and famine, and oppose things that suppress the economic growth the world needs."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20071119...071119issues01

Edited to add quotation marks

[rancherbill]

This article is so full of rhetoric that it is unbelievable.

After all, when the U.N. grandly says "we must work together," what it's really saying is, "Americans must foot the bill."

It would seem to me if that's what the "UN" really wanted to say they would have said so. There is not a conspiracy against the US to get it to pay for global warming. Everyone that disagrees with the US is not out to get the US.

What they were saying that it is a big problem that one country cannot solve and"we must work together."

The babble about mosquitoes, malaria, famine etc is so far off the topic of GW that I just shake my head. To use an American example, how would you link the problems in FEMA to the problems in Iraq. You Can't. They are separate. They will be worked on and both will be solved independently.

If this author writes another article, I'm sure he''ll link GW action programs to gun control or abortion. It's all part of a large international conspiracy against the US, Freedom, Joe -Six Pack, and Christianity. NOT.

[dynosor]

The UN is mandated to be a peace keeping force that helps people who find themselves in bad situations. The UN is incompetent at that, but they seem to want to control the world's climate without mandate. Meanwhile, they really just want to control the world:

"For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument of global governance, one that should find a place within the World Environmental Organisation which France and the European Union would like to see established."

That sentiment was expressed by Jacques Chirac in his 2000 UN address on climate change.

http://www.sovereignty.net/center/chirac.html

5th paragraph from the end.


The motive seems clear enough to me; no hidden meaning; no interpretation required.

And yes, gun control is part of this UN strategy: http://www.iansa.org/un/firearms-protocol.htm


See more on this matter by 97T: Global Warming: Towards a New World Order NOW

[rancherbill]

"The UN is mandated to be a peace keeping force that helps people who find themselves in bad situations. The UN is incompetent at that, but they seem to want to control the world's climate without mandate. Meanwhile, they really just want to control the world:"

The UN does do a good job PEACE KEEPING, not PEACE MAKING. Canadians, I am one, are proud of our peace keeping missions. For the most part they have been successful with one exception.

"For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument of global governance, one that should find a place within the World Environmental Organization which France and the European Union would like to see established."

World Governance ???? Do you understand the concepts of paranoia or xenophobia? Just because an idea is started by a foreigner does not make it bad. Not all foreigner are not out to get you. Sometimes they have good ideas. Gee, the US does sign treaties with other countries and groups of countries does that mean that this World Governance thing the US Govt. is conspiring against it's citizens?


And yes, gun control is part of this UN strategy: http://www.iansa.org/un/firearms-protocol.htm

Oh My GOD !!! Foreigners, UN people, and French men have taken over the government of the city of Washington DC - They HAVE gun control.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/20/wa...us.html?ref=us

It is going to the Supreme Court. If it is upheld gun control might be coming to you, or you and your gun toting freedom loving buddies will have to call together a militia and overthrow the oppressive city government and federal Supreme Court.

Your original post was linking to an article that was babble. It still is. GW is a topic by itself. It is not related to World Governance, gun control, mosquitoes, the French or whatever hot button topic.

There is no conspiracy.

There is a huge amount of data on GW side and less data on the Anti-GW side. The debate is being clouded by people bringing in political stuff to a scientific debate.

Is GW happening? Yes or No
Is human activity a factor? Yes or No

If you answer yes to either question, then you should be looking to see what can be done.

[alexccmeister]

Paranoia has really taken over some people and its definitely not the ones that feels GW is happening.

BTW, if the answer is NO to both, do we try to convince everyone on earth it isn't happening and live the way we do or try to improve our lives anyway? hmmm. tough decision.

[martinw]

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And, oh yeah, winter sports in the Alps will be a thing of the past.

Dear dynosor,

Tell me it isn't true.. I'll have to sell that expensive ski gear and take up this...

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But hey, with those predicted rising sea levels, I'm looking on the bright side. No need for evil aircraft travel. I'll just step on to the jetski for a fast tow-in directly from my front door.

Best wishes,

Martin

[dertsap]

Originally Posted by dynosor [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]"Climate Change: After all, when the U.N. grandly says "we must work together," what it's really saying is, "Americans must foot the bill." ."]

a bit of an arrogant statement wouldn t you think ,
the UN is the unity of much of the worlds nations , if you want to thumb your nose at it ,then maybe you should understand the UN doesn t need you anyway

its one thing to be proud of our homeland its another thing to knock others while being world wide web

[ImanCarrot]

Erm, correct me if I'm wrong, but the US is a founder member of the United Nations and one of only five permanent members of the Security Council.

The small, but growing dissatisfaction with UN policy in the US is seen by many as a political negotiating tool to get the UN to do what the US wants. The US witheld it's subscription fees precisely for this reason so that in 2000 it's debt was roughly USD1.8billion. This debt has decreased in recent years in return for a reduction in US contributions.

[dynosor]

Originally Posted by alexccmeister Paranoia has really taken over some people and its definitely not the ones that feels GW is happening.

What about those that believe GW is occurring naturally and is a good thing, who also happen to be paranoid?

The point of the original post was that there are plenty of real problems to solve right now; to not only improve life for millions of people, but enable them to survive. Instead of dealing with AIDS & malaria, the UN (IPCC) and people who care more about the "environment" than human life want to scare all of us into wasting resources trying to change the weather by an immeasurable degree.

The UN is a useless organization. Ask those still living in Rwanda and Darfur if they think the UN should be in charge of anything, let alone global energy policy.

[ImanCarrot]

The point of the original post was that there are plenty of real problems to solve right now

Got it. I missed that point- too busy turning, trying to reverse engineer a holder and inspecting coatings whilst ACADing a part for export to Dolphin then export to my mill.

Truth be told (and this is a personal opinion), I don't care a great deal about malaria, AIDS and third world poverty etc- I don't live in a third world country and have no intention of moving to one. Saying that, I do agree all of that should be given more of a priority than GW which I absolutely do not care about at all... zero, zilch, like if it was possible to care negatively I would. Even if it does exist, which is highly speculative, I'll be long dead before anything happens and beleiving that when you're dead you're dead I could not give a hoot about future generations- I won't be here then.

[dynosor]

Originally Posted by rancherbill The UN does do a good job PEACE KEEPING, not PEACE MAKING.

If the UN was any good at peace keeping, there would be no need for peace making. How many civil wars and genocides have occured in the last 3 decades with the UN standing by?

[ImanCarrot]

Why the heck do we want peace? I flipping don't!

I make stuff for the Defence Industry. It's a simple equation: More wars= more orders for me, more orders for me= more orders for my sub- contractors= they buy more stuff= more money all round for who they buy it off who, in turn, pay more taxes to the Govt who will order more Defence stuff

More wars please.