Climate Change.......Phoey!!!

[Bluesman]

Lets get real here KIDS, The Big Question "IS MAN CAUSING CLIMATE CHANGE"?
The earth has gone thru many climate changes in its 10,000 year history (Unless your an evolution clown then its BILLIONS AND BILLIONS)
Anyway the last Ice age we came out of was oh lets just say 5,000 years ago. I find it hard to believe that at the time there were enough gas guzzling cars here to really effect that kind of change. My guess would be maybe a few hundred, and after watching Fred and Barny drive I have to say that them feet turning a mile a second, In my book wont generate much toxic waste except for the occasional fart.
So climate change is it real................Sure it is it is changing all the time. Can man affect it.......................You would have to a long haird pot smoking hippie to think he could. But hey lets ban everything just incase

Bluesman
PS. Reform long haird pot smoking hippie(And an ocasinal shroom or two)

Try rahab it worked for me

[Wade]

Next thing they'll be telling us, is that private gun ownership is responsible for climate change.

[ImanCarrot]

Even thinking about global change causes 1 degree rise in the average ocean temperature. S' true.. I read it on the back of a beer mat.

[icurays1]

Personally, and IMHO (I dont wish to make enemies), I think that is reckless way to go about analyzing climate change. Scientific observation should be seperated from politics; climate change is not a policy issue.

Yes, it is true that the earth's climate changes on its own due to many factors - including water vapor, solar output (not controlled by man), orbit patterns (also not in our control), lunar patterns, and plate techtonics (yes, the same plates that cause earthquakes).

But - the most significant factor in earth's climate is atmosphere composition. There are obvoiusly many independent factors that control this, from volcanic activity, to plant life. However - using the fact that the atmosphere can change on its own to draw a conclusion that it cant change due to human activity is simply laziness. There is ample, ample data to support the fact that human CO2 emissions have, in fact, created an atmosphere that is not what it was before the industrial revolution. This isn't hippie propoganda, it's hard science - the fact that this issue has become so wrapped up in politics is unfortunate. It shouldn't be so difficult for humans to agree on something we all do.

-a short haired, smoke free hippie engineering student

[Wade]

Let's put it in my perspective. Will CO2 trap solar heat, yes a little. Water vapor, methane, ozone friendly gases, do a lot more. I don't believe CO2 is the main culprit. I think warming is natural, just like the cooling in the 70's, and the warming that started back 120 years ago, and the much warmer period 1000 years ago, and the ice age 50,000 years ago, and the hundreds of cooling and heat trends that have happened since then.

The great unwashed masses like a good story of gloom and doom. Global warming will be bad, global cooling would be much much much worse. We happen to be lucky enough to live in a warming period.

I really think that changes in land cover, city, deforestation, erosion into water bodies, forest fires, and dark particles from plowing and everything we humans move around is going to end up being the biggest single factor.

But, it's not sexy, or liable. So, Al Gore needs to be president of the universe, so he's spinning a yarn that scares the little children more than a promise of eternal damnation. Welcome to the next new religion. You just have to believe. Have Faith in Gore.

[dertsap]

who are the spokes people in North America , Gore and the radical without a cause David Susuki
with no documented proof Suzuki foundation had raised a huge stink here, farmed salmon in BC were breeding grounds for sea lice and the impact on our wild fish stocks will be catastrophic and blah blah blah , green peace had even spoke up and attacked suzuki about the subject , since the global warming bomb i have not read or heard anything about sea lice and the destruction of our stocks , dave's finally found a cause he will be recognized for ,
i'm surprised he hasn t tryed to link the lice farm fish and global warming together YET!
suzuki nor gore are scientists , yet they are speading their gospel , they were here a number of weeks back , if i recall properly the tickets to see them were 500 bucks a ticket , donate to the cause i suppose
why wouldn t they speak in a park for free to the common man who is being blamed and will be taxed heavily over this , is this not an important message for everyone to hear or do the blue collar slugs not matter

its clear something is happening ,is it our fault or is it nature ,i don t know .
what i do know is global warming needs to ditch those two self serving idiots

george carlon is a basket case but sometimes what he says make sense like in the following link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw

[Splint]

Here's an interesting read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gre...arming_Swindle I actually saw the Great Global Warming Swindle and the Tony Jones show challenging Durkins claims. Without having knowledge of scientists disputing and challenging Durkins claims and highlighting the flaws it would be very easy to be led to beleive that the whole global warming issue is a scam.
The whole thing is like scientist who claim smoking is not harmful to your health, obviously there are vested interests (funding by tobacco companies) in such cases.

Splint

[dang]

We got about 100 years left as a species on this planet. After that, life for humans will be like a bad sci-fi movie. We'll be living like little rats in holes, we'll only come out at night due to the heat. There won't be any food or water left. The fish will all be dead. Livestock won't be available to the poor who will number in the tens of billion by then. All the natural resources will be gone or polluted to the point of fatal toxicity to humans. Roving hordes of cannibals will be the last humans to live on earth, or at all really, where else will we go? Ohhhhh, looky my huge novelty check from liberal billionaire George Soros just arrived. I'm off to take away your guns!

I won't get political here. Global Warming is real. AND, so is evolution. Why discuss that here? Isn't there some sort of CONservative blog membership that you've attained for this sort of discussion?

[dertsap]

Originally Posted by dang I have rocks in my backyard older than 10,000 years. I can prove it, you can't disprove it. End of story. ?

ok
proove it without a reasonable doubt

[dang]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, you got me. I'm a liberal mouthpiece. And now I've been exposed. Darn you!

[dertsap]

[QUOTE=dang;356619] I'm a liberal mouthpieceQUOTE]

no worse than i am ,except i wouldn t clasify myself as liberal

i have a hard time beleaving everything i am told because science dictates it , science is based on theories that have been proven or need to be prooven, or disprooven , scientists all want to be recognized for the new big find , many spend a lifetime trying to proove their theory , the measurement of time of this planet in itself is a theory ,an educated one but none the less theory

[dang]

The word theory is very often misused. Gravity is a theory, although we can measure it, we can be certain of it's existence, it's still a theory.
Evolution is a theory, although it's been proven to a certain extent, and much of cutting edge medical science, like genetics, is based on, and backs up the "theory" of evolution, it's still a theory.
A theory is something which isn't understood from stem to stern, like most things. Humans are stupid, we understand almost nothing, so everything is theoretical. But climate change is real, and it ain't about religion or political thought or any of that. In short, just because something is labeled a theory, doesn't mean that it's wrong, only incomplete. ALL legitimate science agrees that global warming is happening and immediately threatens the existence of ALL life on earth. We just don't understand every nook and cranny of it. We'll understand it better when we're all dead.