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[dynosor]

Originally Posted by handlewanker Post # 44, ahem, it has been decided to recommend to the road traffic authority that a man with a red flag must walk in front of the electric cars ringing a bell and shouting warnings so that anyone stupid enough to be wandering up and down the middle of the road can lie down in the road and get suitably run over so enabling them to sue the manufacturers for making dangerous vehicles. People who are vision and hearing impaired will be assisted to lie down in the road. Ian.

While I posted about the reaction of the blind to electric cars, I don't have much sympathy for pedestrians of any sort. The road is for cars, not pedestrians. When a pedestrian wishes to walk across the road they better yield to the automobile or accept being crushed.

The legislation of car designs in Europe required to hurt pedestrians less in the event of contact at speed is almost funny - the correct solution is to keep people off the roads when cars are anywhere nearby. What is next; trains designed not to crush cars that shouldn't be on the track?

[dynosor]

Originally Posted by handlewanker Give me control any day, I love law and order. Humanoids can't control themselves at the best of time, that is why a weak government without the intestinal fortitude to clamp down on unrest just fades into obscurity, due to the lack of public credibility. No one respects a weak ruler, Nowadays the world has gone soft, that is why you need control. Don't tell me you haven't seen armed police in London's Heathrow airport with machine guns at the ready, and able to use them? You must be blind. Unless you are insinuating that the oil companies won't be blamed for supplying the petroleum products that are ultimately in one way or another polluting the environment,

Perhaps in England and its colonies the dumb masses are "ruled" by the government. In the US, the government works for the people. Remember when the US forced out the Brits because they didn’t want to be ruled by them?

Now, if the average citizen is too dumb to control themselves, what makes you think the average person in government is any better?

As for blaming the petroleum industry for any side-effects of the products we have gladly been using for decades. This is just as silly as blaming Mc Donald’s for making us fat.

I agree that before fuel injection and catalytic converters there was real pollution. Today's cars are only unclean for a minute after start-up. What about all that CO2? Feed it to the plants. Fossil fuel comes from dead plants. These plants grew off CO2 in the air. When we burn fossil fuels, we put that CO2 back where it came from.

[handlewanker]

Dynosor, Colonies? what colonies? you are a few years behind the times sport.
Any reference to control USA wise, is like sailing in shark infested waters without a boat.

BTW, the dumb masses are the brains that decide who will rule them, without a ruling body the dumb masses turn on themselves and eat each other, the strongest dog wins.

I give you the Communist take over of Russia and others as a prime example.
When the dumb masses deposed the resident ruler they went on a rampage that only ended when Uncle Joe slipped off the mortal coil.
I don't suppose you've heard of the French Revolution, after Napoleon sorted the mob out he became Ruler.

The dumb masses are too stupid to make decisions for themselves, so they just run riot and eventually someone takes charge and a few get put down for the public good, nobody mourns them or remembers them, and there are no battle honours or medals for dissidents, how stupid can you possibly get.

Everything you have today was achieved by control from a governing body, not by individuals, and if you think otherwise you are just one of the dumb masses that need controlling.

I challenge you to give one example of uncontrolled mass behaviour that went down in history as an achievment.

Your statement about the petrol industry is the same as if you sexually assualted a minor and it grew up to be a sexual predator, in which case you would be blamed for causing the problem.

I have to admit that this is a provocative statement, but I would not like to have millions of dollars invested in oil shares and then be told that oil is being phased out in favour of nice clean electric powered cars.

I think I would be spreading a few bob around, to interested parties, to delay the advent of the electric revoluton untill the oil had dried up, after that guess where my money would be invested in?

I personally don't give a rat's a##s whether the petrol industry makes mega bucks from the black gold, just as long as I can roll up to a petrol pump and squirt a few litres into my petrol tank and do it again tomorrow, so that my gas guzzling car gets me from A to B without a problem.

After that when the electric car becomes a reality, I want recharge depots all over the place, so that I can roll up with my electric car and get a squiz of juice just when I want It.

I want, I want, that's what it's all about, and the customer is always right.
The first rule of selling is:- Find out what the customer wants and make sure he gets it, or your competitor will.
The second rule is:- The customer is always right.

We have controlling bodies and environmental watchdogs in government that make sure that safety standards are as practical as are affordable.
The moment when restrictions prevent you from enjoying what would otherwise be an ordinary day, that's when I froth at the gills and get ropeable.

For my personal preferences I would welcome the arrival of the electric car as the prime people mover, I don't have petroleum investments, but I do have preferences.
Ian.

[dynosor]

Originally Posted by handlewanker I challenge you to give one example of uncontrolled mass behaviour that went down in history as an achievment. Everything you have today was achieved by control from a governing body, not by individuals, and if you think otherwise you are just one of the dumb masses that need controlling.

I certainly don't champion uncontrolled masses. Rather, I believe in the capabilitiy of the individual; in individual freedom and idividual responsibility. Do you think the battries for your electric car will be developed as a result of a decree by a governing body, or as a result of the combined efforts of a few motivated individuals?

Originally Posted by handlewanker dynosor, who cares? we'll all be dead when it's time to worry, so why worry about issues that really cloud the real issues? Carbon credits, now there is a cloudy issue if there ever was one, there is more CO2 being put in the air by the normal effects of acid rain on the chalk deposits laid down millions of years ago. Plants love C02, what have you got against plants? Ian.

This early post of your's pretty much sums it up for me. I rest my case.

[handlewanker]

Hi Dyno, you had better believe it, nowhere on this mudball we call Earth, has individual effort been rewarded by satisfaction, it takes two to tango you know.

The whole aspect of living is a team effort.
Going it alone for personal gain, agrandisment and self satisfaction just shows the trait that is present in all humanoid species, be they all powerfull chairman of the board or grave diggers, you all want something for nothing.
Humanoids are the only species that work for gain that exceeds their capacity to consume.

They would rather deny sustenance to someone who needs it rather than wants it.
It has been said that all human endeavour is for the good of mankind, well that was a joke, it is more true that all mankind will bend over backwards if the rewards are great enough.

Which brings me back to the oil crisis, nothing will be done until the oil is not worth retrieving, then the boot will be on the other foot, and the drive will be not to provide a sustainable energy source but to replace the lost profits caused by the environmentalist drive for a cleaner healthier planet.

If you don't think that what I say is true, answer this one, why do the Greenpeace activists do their thing when nobody gives a rats whether they live or die, and only pay lip service to the endeavours of that group by standing by and marveling at how much effort is being expended for so little gain.

I personally admire their endeavours at self sacrifice, even if it means that they are appearing to do something when there are no visible results.

They do not even have the blessing of their government, who are very concious of the need to be appearing to sympathise with their efforts while distancing themselves from the results.

When the whole humanoid group get together and decide to do what it takes for the bettement of the whole community, I will personally eat my hat.

Until that day, I hope no misintentioned do gooder rocks the boat and causes the petrol stations to premertually close, so denying me raw material for my gas guzzling car, and access to the country side, what's left of it from the effects of the urban sprawl.

BTW, there's a lot more than CO2 coming out of exhaust pipes of cars, if you don't believe me add a bit of o2 to the exhaust gas and breathe deeply, it will take your breath away, ever hear of nitrous oxide?

You will have noticed that the oil producers spend, in a round about way, billions of dollars to promote their products, but very little if any, to ensure the end product is safe.

I won't even mention the tobacco industries tenacious grip on their market or the multiple billions they spend to fob you off with lies about the dangers of inhaling the by products of their production, it is sufficient to say that they are typical humanoids and as such display all the humanoid traits of deception, avarice and greed.

Now that you have rested your case, I hope you have fun spending your carbon credits.
Ian.

[Wade]

The US may get short on energy, but when our MTV won't come on, we'll put up so many windmills, geothermals, solarcells, corn fields, Nuclear plant, and coal fired power plants, you'll think we've started a new space race. China is the one that needs to worry, but the US will be just fine.

[handlewanker]

Nah Wade, they'll just trim the wicks, relight the burners and when the needle hits danger, all hell will break loose.
Now that's what I call MOTOR TELEVISION.
Ian.

[dynosor]

Originally Posted by handlewanker We have controlling bodies and environmental watchdogs in government that make sure that safety standards are as practical as are affordable.

Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for the California state government:

http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showth...362#post361362

[handlewanker]

Hi Dyno, the state of Califonee is just a tin pot corner of the USA, when compared to the rest of the world, and anything they do will not even be measureable if you sampled the air till kingdom come, and even the catastrophic events of Chernobyl cannot be measured if you sampled the air around you.

All this talk about CO2 is just an emotive outburst that makes you feel good when it's out, but like peeing in a dark suit, nobody notices.
We're not going to live forever, and as the dinosaurs ruled for 260 millinon years with all the volcanic activity going on, we haven't even scratched the surface when it comes to creating a living record.

In one million years, if we all snuffed it today, there would be not a single trace to even suggest that another species had managed to scramble up the dung heap to view the world, achieved a dubious supremacy for a while, and dissapeared without a trace.

In the meantime, there are a lot of people who pay a lot of people to keep a lot of people filled with awe and wonder about matters that they never could envisage if it wasn't for the said "lot of people" conjuring up fantastic theories that will never be proved or disproved in their lifetime.

In the end, whether you like it or not, the rest of the world will do what it wants to do despite the dire warnings of the gifted few, and the best you can hope for is to die in your sleep.

Meanwhile, have a good day, you may not live long enough to enjoy them if you just worry about the consequences of someone else's doings, and you must have realised by now that you ain't gonna make a bit of difference talking about it anyway.

For me, as long as the rain rains and the sun shines, that's enough, what the Chinese or Californians do is beyond my control, so I don't worry.
Ian.