The Coming Climate Change

[jhowelb]

Originally Posted by xyzdonna Mariss To state that the weather has varied a great deal in previous epochs is doubtlessly true. But that doesn't negate the possibility of human activity causing global warming. I doubt we know enough to know for sure, my guess is that it's having an effect. I really don't think all those scientists are just trying to garner research grants although some probably are. Also the folks who say it isn't happening probably have an interest in doing so as well. If only to assuage their conscience for driving a Hummer. When the best minds out there are saying it's happening you have to consider the possibility that it is. Donna

Neither does it prove the possibility of man caused warming, you yourself state that we don't know for sure. One thing we DO know for sure is that there are human sharks out there looking to clip the gullible with any brand of snake oil available.

I believe that they ALL are trying for grant money to fund "research"!

I don't own a "Hummer" but rest assured I feel NO guilt going down the highway in my 36" motor coach. It's mine, I bought it with MY money as the fuel it comsumes as well. NO APOLOGY extended to anyone!

We will also argue over "the best minds" as long as you have lunatics like Algore proffering his brand of bilge water.

None of you can tell me what the weather will be next month let alone next century. Take for example the predictions of many and massive hurricanes in the wake of Katrina. What an amazing failure! ZERO land falls and only a few real storms.

Again, the REAL threat of Islamic terror and even the still more realistic (than warming) possibility of being struck by a giant comet go unattended!

Go back to the "causes bin" and pick a more likely winner to scare us with because we ain't buying this one!!

[Geof]

Originally Posted by jhowelb ..... I feel NO guilt going down the highway in my 36" motor coach....

I would feel no guilt in a 36 inch motor coach either. How many pedals does it have ?

[Mariss Freimanis]

A different take on the subject could be this is what happens when a movement becomes senescent, when it has accomplished its purpose and there is nothing more left to do.

The Women's Rights movement entered this phase about a decade ago. After all the goals were accomplished, the activists and their organizations had no further meaningful purpose. The more strident and outrageous they then became, the sillier they looked and the easier they were to dismiss. They worked themselves out of a job and they were the last to know it.

Environmentalists have done a good job. 45 years later the air is clear, the water is sparkling, species are protected, people are kind to little and big animals and there are no toxic chemicals to be found on the land, in the sea or in the air. Drugs and products are safe for children and adults. Congratulate them; the world is a better place than I remember it from my childhood.

The problem is vast organizations were built in those 45 years and hundreds of thousands dedicated their careers to the cause's maintenance and growth. These people and those organizations are left with a rapidly diminishing purpose for existing now. Like any organic system, survival is a primary instinct and environmentalism cannot be faulted for trying to avoid the inevitable. Global Warming is their attempt to retain what fading relevance they have left. It will get sillier and it will get more outrageous than this before it's finally over.

Mariss

[dynosor]

Originally Posted by alexccmeister Granted. But I still would like to see new energy efficient, non polluting technology in my lifetime so I can enjoy the fresh air.

The air must be really bad in Brunei. Do you live downwind of an oil refinery? If so, move.

From my perspective, insisting on solving the "global pollution problem" with aggressive changes is just as smart as removing healthy organs to prevent cancer.

Mariss explained what is going on better than I could in post # 87 above.

[jhowelb]

Originally Posted by Geof I would feel no guilt in a 36 inch motor coach either. How many pedals does it have ?

Typical left wing tactic, take an obvious typo and attempt to blow up into an indictment. Typical and transparent. When you have nothing else, criticize on a personal level for minor human failings.

[Geof]

Originally Posted by jhowelb Typical left wing tactic, take an obvious typo and attempt to blow up into an indictment. Typical and transparent. When you have nothing else, criticize on a personal level for minor human failings.

Touchy touchy, did you not see the BIG GRIN which is a hint that I was not being seriously critical or anything. You need to take a few deep breaths and calm down.

[jhowelb]

Atta boy! Deflect! Next comes equivocate then redirect by intimation! Accuse the opposition of being over sensitive or of taking unnecessary offense whether any was taken or not.

Right from the play book. Anything to avoid admitting defeat on any point. This way we have a perpetual argument with no chance of any slight amount of agreement.

Any way, good job! At least you haven't lost any ground.

[martinw]

Originally Posted by xyzdonna I really don't think all those scientists are just trying to garner research grants although some probably are. Also the folks who say it isn't happening probably have an interest in doing so as well. If only to assuage their conscience for driving a Hummer. When the best minds out there are saying it's happening you have to consider the possibility that it is. Donna

Dear xyzdonna,

1) I quite agree that all scientists are not "bigging-up" the problem in order to , cynically, get more research funding. Some may be though.

2) To suggest that those other scientists who have a different opinion are all in the pay of others, with a vested interest, stretches credulity.

3) Who are the "best minds". Only those with whom you agree ? Might it not be possible that there is room to consider, and debate, the scientific views of others?

Best wishes,

Martin

[Geof]

Originally Posted by jhowelb Atta boy! Deflect! Next comes equivocate then redirect by intimation! Accuse the opposition of being over sensitive or of taking unnecessary offense whether any was taken or not. Right from the play book. Anything to avoid admitting defeat on any point. This way we have a perpetual argument with no chance of any slight amount of agreement. Any way, good job! At least you haven't lost any ground.

Um; are you and I both using the same language? Have you read any of my posts on the topic of Global Warming? What perpetual argument are we having, you and I are fundamentally on the same side when it comes to discussing Global Warming. I really do think you should take the deep breaths...and go back and read what I have posted. When I have been in a serious mood.

[alexccmeister]

Originally Posted by jhowelb Again, the REAL threat of Islamic terror and even the still more realistic (than warming) possibility of being struck by a giant comet go unattended!

Scientists are already doing their job in patrolling the skies for any comets that may come our way. Its when these thing hits you then you realise that money is no object and our government should spend in order to eliminate the problem. Just like in the case of 911. You would even sell your 36 (inch or foot) motor coach just to support the work towards getting rid of the radicals and getting a comet out of Earth's way. Global warming hasn't done that yet. So who cares.

Originally Posted by dynosor The air must be really bad in Brunei. Do you live downwind of an oil refinery? If so, move.

See, thats the problem with the critics, they always think about themselves. Can't you spare some thoughts for others and offer some sort of solution than to fight every environmentalists and believers. And all I hear from the critics are "you are not going to take away my this and that". What is it that you are so afraid of? What exactly are they taking away from you?

BTW, Brunei still has clean air but it won't be for long if the number of cars and industries keep springing up cos we don't have any other better technologies that will reduce the pollutions.

And where do you suggest I move to? Earth is my home as much as it is yours. So please don't s4it in your back yard is all i can say.

Originally Posted by Geof Um; are you and I both using the same language? Have you read any of my posts on the topic of Global Warming? What perpetual argument are we having, you and I are fundamentally on the same side when it comes to discussing Global Warming. I really do think you should take the deep breaths...and go back and read what I have posted. When I have been in a serious mood.

I am afraid the critics are getting paranoid here. Even with their own. Sorry just had to put that in.

[alexccmeister]

You can enjoy all that technologies are offering right now. Nobody is stopping anyone from doing that. I sure hell can't do that. But while we are enjoying the current technologies in terms of cars, mobile homes and etc, why not work towards a new goal of achieving new technologies that will (ok not eliminate pollution) reduce it to a considerable degree. Can we not at least agree on this?

[Mariss Freimanis]

Fear, fear, fear, fear. Comets now, Global Warming before. Haven't you ever wondered what life would be like without fear? What it would be like if you were to put all your burdens down? If you could disconnect from all that?

Imagine a life without fear. Imagine a life where you wake up every morning and you truly feel refreshed. Imagine a day from morning until evening when you'd say, "this was the happiest day of my life". Then you do it again after endless day again.

If you can't or you say you would like to, then something isn't right. It is the way life was meant to be enjoyed. It is the way I live my life. I don't think it's anything special.

Mariss